Phil Kessel
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Kin
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cw said:
Not that it matters a ton but Mogilny's 83 point season was actually the year after they won the cup and that Mogilny was actually relatively ineffective when they won the cup. Mogilny is actually kind of a good example of a guy who had a little bit of a trouble carrying his regular season prowess over into the playoffs.
"Third year in the league, he is more mature and his whole game is starting to round out a little bit better," Julien said. "He has always been good with his hands and his shot and his speed, but there was more that he needed to learn. He is much better without the puck, which has given him more opportunities.
"When you don't cheat, you come back and you do the job. You recover the puck quicker and you go on the attack and I think he has understood that concept very well. Scoring goals has helped his confidence, and he knows he can score goals, so all those things put together and a young player needs time to develop and we have given him that."
Seems the complaint was cheating for offense, not really being 'shut down' or intimidated, at least from Julien back then.
I get the criticism though, it's a problem with a lot of Leaf players, cheating for offense. That may be left over from the Wilson school as it was the thing keeping them in the race. The Leafs should be concerned with surrounding him with better players though, rather than bowing to misguided hype about Kessel himself, he's far from what's wrong with them.
"When you don't cheat, you come back and you do the job. You recover the puck quicker and you go on the attack and I think he has understood that concept very well. Scoring goals has helped his confidence, and he knows he can score goals, so all those things put together and a young player needs time to develop and we have given him that."
Seems the complaint was cheating for offense, not really being 'shut down' or intimidated, at least from Julien back then.
I get the criticism though, it's a problem with a lot of Leaf players, cheating for offense. That may be left over from the Wilson school as it was the thing keeping them in the race. The Leafs should be concerned with surrounding him with better players though, rather than bowing to misguided hype about Kessel himself, he's far from what's wrong with them.
Miserable Joyless Creatures said:
Really? This is a rather tangential point and I can't say I followed much of Mogilny's career, but the one thing I do remember is Mogilny carrying the leafs one year against Philly -- scoring something like 5 goals in 3 games and then Roenick cross-checking Mogilny in the face in overtime and that effectively putting an end to the leafs chances in the series.
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losveratos
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Miserable Joyless Creatures said:
It kind of does matter a lot. He got his 83 points in the 2000-2001 season. According to wiki stanley cup champs list... that's also the year they won the cup.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stanley_Cup_champions
Nice try though... keep up the total lack of any effort. For the record it took me about 30 seconds to find Mogilny's stat page on NHL and the Stanley champs on Wiki.
Before you call someone out for being wrong you shouldn't really rely on memory. Check the info first.
I'm an idiot here
Kin
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princedpw said:
Over the course of his career? Yeah. For the Leafs he had 24 points in 39 career playoff games(Although 15 goals) and for his career he was a .69 ppg player in the playoffs compared to 1.04 in the regular season. He had good playoffs here and there but probably his best playoff run was 16 points in 25 games for a Devils team that lost in the finals to the Avalanche.
Kin
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losveratos said:
I was actually using hockeydb, not memory
http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/nhl19272001.html
And just at a glance the 2001 season on your Wiki list also has the 2001 champs as being the Avs.
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losveratos
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Zee said:
2000?01 New Jersey Devils NHL 75 43 40 83 43
2000 New Jersey Devils (EC) Larry Robinson Dallas Stars (WC) Ken Hitchcock 4?2 Jason Arnott (8:20, second OT)
HA... yeah. Stepped into it on that one. They used two formats for sheets. I was reading out the 2000 champs as the 2000-2001 season because they were using that format for the scoring for the players.
I retract my previous statement and apologize to Miserable Joyless Creatures for the over sight. Thanks for pointing that out.
bustaheims
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Miserable Joyless Creatures said:
Dear lord, what have I done?
Borschevsky-Antropov-Kulemin said:
He was a scratched for 3 games after game 1, a 4-1 loss.
When he got back into the line-up and scored 3 goals over the next 3 games and the following year he led the bruins in goal scoring in the playoffs.
These numbers obviously don't tell us everything, but they do tell us he isn't "easily shutdown" in the playoffs like Fanatic is suggesting.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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TML fan said:
*Standing Ovation*
