Phil Kessel

[Corn Flake]

Not to mention their huge free agent signings.

Chara might be the best UFA signing ever.

Him or Neidermeyer in Anaheim.

Sure was a nice coup for Chiarelli, given that he was in Ottawa prior and magically Chara lands in his new home a short while later.  Nice connection.

Outside of Chara though, who has Boston signed that has had a big impact?  Savard was impactful for a few years before the concussions.  Other than that?  Tim Thomas? Yeah ok but that was a scrap heap choice that couldn't have possibly been predicted.. a win but a lucky win.

 

[Champ Kind]

Can we trade Kessel for Zeus and a 1st?

Probably not but Ecklund has Kessel for Hermes as an E3

 

[Champ Kind]

Not to mention their huge free agent signings.

Chara might be the best UFA signing ever.

Him or Neidermeyer in Anaheim.

Sure was a nice coup for Chiarelli, given that he was in Ottawa prior and magically Chara lands in his new home a short while later.  Nice connection.

While it didn't result in a Cup win, the Cujo signing was pretty darn good, too.  Heck, so was Belfour.

 

[armche123]

Can we trade Kessel for Zeus and a 1st?

Zeus just got picked up by the Lightning, we may want to look into Aqua Man if were tanking again this year.  ;D

 

[Corn Flake]

While it didn't result in a Cup win, the Cujo signing was pretty darn good, too.  Heck, so was Belfour.

For sure in the Leafs history they would both stand out.  Mogilny would be another. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

I have to stop you there.  I'm not sure that it was as arbitrary as lightning striking that the Leafs -ahem - 'sucked b@lls' in 2009-2010. 

Pff, every time we keep our pick we never end up lower than 5th overall.  Kept that pick and we'd have been 8th or something with no clear choice.  #LeafsLuck

 

[bustaheims]

Outside of Chara though, who has Boston signed that has had a big impact?  Savard was impactful for a few years before the concussions.  Other than that?  Tim Thomas? Yeah ok but that was a scrap heap choice that couldn't have possibly been predicted.. a win but a lucky win.

Yeah. Outside of Chara, their biggest UFA acquisitions in recent years have been Blake Wheeler and Michael Ryder. They've made a number of shrewd trades that have gotten them where they are now, and retained a number of those guys when they were to become free agents, but, they haven't really added major pieces by signing big name UFAs.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Look at how well Philly did in dealing Carter/Richards. Or Pittsburgh with Jordan Staal.

How are we basing how well these teams did trading those players?

 

[Kin]

How are we basing how well these teams did trading those players?

A complicated statistical formula I'm developing that, much like PER in Basketball or WAR in baseball, attempts to arrive at a single number that sums up a players total contributions, weighted for relative position value and age.

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Can we trade Kessel for Zeus and a 1st?

Zeus just got picked up by the Lightning

Figures, he was a natural fit.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

How are we basing how well these teams did trading those players?

A complicated statistical formula I'm developing that, much like PER in Basketball or WAR in baseball, attempts to arrive at a single number that sums up a players total contributions, weighted for relative position value and age.

Did you already explain why you think they came out so well in those trades that I missed?

 

[Kin]

Did you already explain why you think they came out so well in those trades that I missed?

I suppose I must have done.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Good lord, nevermind.

 

[Champ Kind]

How are we basing how well these teams did trading those players?

A complicated statistical formula I'm developing that, much like PER in Basketball or WAR in baseball, attempts to arrive at a single number that sums up a players total contributions, weighted for relative position value and age.

Meh, without detailed algortihms producing derivative-based analysis I think your NIK measure will leave much to be desired.

 

[Kin]

Meh, without detailed algortihms producing derivative-based analysis I think your NIK measure will leave much to be desired.

For what it's worth, my system has determined Kessel to be a 6. I'll get back to you as soon as I've sussed out whether that's good or bad.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I just don't think that Kessel pulls the same return as Carter or Richards and I also think that Grabovski or Phaneuf pull similar or better than what Kessel could...Again, just my opinion.

Well, if Kessel going, odds are the other two would be as well. Trading Kessel would basically signal the beginning of a full blown, bare bones rebuild. No point in keeping Grabovski or Phaneuf around for that either - they'd be more valuable as tradeable assets than as players in that scenario.

I think this is a very good point and one that I hadn't considered.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

But, if that was the way the Leafs had decided to go, Lupul's deal makes no sense. His value(I'd have to believe) would of been higher without 5 years at 5+ million a year attached to it.

Now, the question is, is Lupul's signing a sign that Nonis 'thinks' Kessel is staying, or 'hopes' that Kessel is staying.

 

[Bullfrog]

Heh...

I just don't think that Kessel pulls the same return as Carter or Richards and I also think that Grabovski or Phaneuf pull similar or better than what Kessel could...Again, just my opinion.

Love Grabovski; he's my current favourite on the team. But there's no way he pulls in a better or even similar return to Kessel. Kessel is an elite goal scorer in this league; a bonafide 1st liner on any team. Grabovski is a very good 2nd line centre. I'm not saying the difference is astronomical, but Kessel definitely gets you more.

 

[Kin]

But, if that was the way the Leafs had decided to go, Lupul's deal makes no sense. His value(I'd have to believe) would of been higher without 5 years at 5+ million a year attached to it.

Not necessarily. Absent an extension he's a rental player. If you think Lupul got a contract around market value he's way more valuable under contract.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Heh...

I just don't think that Kessel pulls the same return as Carter or Richards and I also think that Grabovski or Phaneuf pull similar or better than what Kessel could...Again, just my opinion.

Love Grabovski; he's my current favourite on the team. But there's no way he pulls in a better or even similar return to Kessel. Kessel is an elite goal scorer in this league; a bonafide 1st liner on any team. Grabovski is a very good 2nd line centre. I'm not saying the difference is astronomical, but Kessel definitely gets you more.

I'm not 100% sure on that but perhaps it's just the constant beating into our heads we receive from fans of other teams and the media on how mediocre Kessel is.