Pietrangelo Watch

[Guilt Trip]

Redleaf, the pushback on your idea is not so much about Nylander being traded as it is about the idea being unrealistic. We have already outlined that teams holding the top picks are not looking for performance spending today, and the Leafs are looking for NHL core level contribution if they are moving out a key and affordable piece like Nylander.

Your idea is more suited to someone like Johnsson being traded for a low first (hi New Jersey!) where the team wants a young NHL player and have multiple firsts to spend.

This. It?s not about not wanting to trade Nylander. It?s about not wanting to move him purely for futures (essentially, as a cap dump) in order to sign a 30 y/o UFA to a long-term, expensive contract.

I'd move Kerfoot and Johnsson to make the same cap room as Nylander and the team won't be hurt as much offensively. That's what I'd do if I'm getting a chance to sign AP.

 

[Bender]

Redleaf, the pushback on your idea is not so much about Nylander being traded as it is about the idea being unrealistic. We have already outlined that teams holding the top picks are not looking for performance spending today, and the Leafs are looking for NHL core level contribution if they are moving out a key and affordable piece like Nylander.

Your idea is more suited to someone like Johnsson being traded for a low first (hi New Jersey!) where the team wants a young NHL player and have multiple firsts to spend.

This. It?s not about not wanting to trade Nylander. It?s about not wanting to move him purely for futures (essentially, as a cap dump) in order to sign a 30 y/o UFA to a long-term, expensive contract.

I'd move Kerfoot and Johnsson to make the same cap room as Nylander and the team won't be hurt as much offensively. That's what I'd do if I'm getting a chance to sign AP.

Where's your centre depth? Are we trying Adam Brooks at 3C?

 

[dappleganger]

Redleaf, the pushback on your idea is not so much about Nylander being traded as it is about the idea being unrealistic. We have already outlined that teams holding the top picks are not looking for performance spending today, and the Leafs are looking for NHL core level contribution if they are moving out a key and affordable piece like Nylander.

Your idea is more suited to someone like Johnsson being traded for a low first (hi New Jersey!) where the team wants a young NHL player and have multiple firsts to spend.

This. It?s not about not wanting to trade Nylander. It?s about not wanting to move him purely for futures (essentially, as a cap dump) in order to sign a 30 y/o UFA to a long-term, expensive contract.

I'd move Kerfoot and Johnsson to make the same cap room as Nylander and the team won't be hurt as much offensively. That's what I'd do if I'm getting a chance to sign AP.

Where's your centre depth? Are we trying Adam Brooks at 3C?

Willy is playing 3C.  ;D

 

[Guilt Trip]

Redleaf, the pushback on your idea is not so much about Nylander being traded as it is about the idea being unrealistic. We have already outlined that teams holding the top picks are not looking for performance spending today, and the Leafs are looking for NHL core level contribution if they are moving out a key and affordable piece like Nylander.

Your idea is more suited to someone like Johnsson being traded for a low first (hi New Jersey!) where the team wants a young NHL player and have multiple firsts to spend.

This. It?s not about not wanting to trade Nylander. It?s about not wanting to move him purely for futures (essentially, as a cap dump) in order to sign a 30 y/o UFA to a long-term, expensive contract.

I'd move Kerfoot and Johnsson to make the same cap room as Nylander and the team won't be hurt as much offensively. That's what I'd do if I'm getting a chance to sign AP.

Where's your centre depth? Are we trying Adam Brooks at 3C?

Willy might be the answer for 3C. Maybe they get Koivu on a cheap contract. Maybe Thornton or another UFA. Maybe Engvall can step up. I'd lean towards Willy and then you'd have to get a winger for JT/Matthews. Maybe is Barabanov. Don't know what Dubas is thinking or who he can get. We'll figure it out but one thing for certain, if we're going after AP and need the space, I'm trading Kerfoot and Johnsson long before I get rid of Nylander. They also had 17 goals and 49 points between them. AP had 52 points so not really hard to replace. Kerfoot more then Johnsson but it can be done.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Redleaf, the pushback on your idea is not so much about Nylander being traded as it is about the idea being unrealistic. We have already outlined that teams holding the top picks are not looking for performance spending today, and the Leafs are looking for NHL core level contribution if they are moving out a key and affordable piece like Nylander.

Your idea is more suited to someone like Johnsson being traded for a low first (hi New Jersey!) where the team wants a young NHL player and have multiple firsts to spend.

This. It?s not about not wanting to trade Nylander. It?s about not wanting to move him purely for futures (essentially, as a cap dump) in order to sign a 30 y/o UFA to a long-term, expensive contract.

I'd move Kerfoot and Johnsson to make the same cap room as Nylander and the team won't be hurt as much offensively. That's what I'd do if I'm getting a chance to sign AP.

Where's your centre depth? Are we trying Adam Brooks at 3C?

Willy is playing 3C.  ;D

Could be. Will between Barabanov, Mikheyev. We'll see.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think if the Leafs do manage to get Pietrangelo there's a pretty good chance Thornton will be here too. Like I expect Dubas to pursue him regardless but there's a better chance of Thornton being interested in a 1-year Cup run with Pietrangelo here.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I think if the Leafs do manage to get Pietrangelo there's a pretty good chance Thornton will be here too. Like I expect Dubas to pursue him regardless but there's a better chance of Thornton being interested in a 1-year Cup run with Pietrangelo here.

I think so to, or someone similar. I think we might even see Simmonds come also for the 4th line. AP def could influence someone's choice. We'll find out soon enough.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Willy is playing 3C.  ;D

I think we'd be seeing the puck get fished out our own net a lot, and miss out on offense on the first two lines where he should be.

If there's one thing that I can't truly get behind in Dubas' plan, it's the lack of grinding role players that should be part of a 3rd and 4th line mix.

 

[Bender]

Willy is playing 3C.  ;D

I think we'd be seeing the puck get fished out our own net a lot, and miss out on offense on the first two lines where he should be.

If there's one thing that I can't truly get behind in Dubas' plan, it's the lack of grinding role players that should be part of a 3rd and 4th line mix.

I mean, maybe Tampa really was onto something with getting Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman etc. You do need a bit of sandpaper.

 

[Phileas Fogg]

Willy is playing 3C.  ;D

I think we'd be seeing the puck get fished out our own net a lot, and miss out on offense on the first two lines where he should be.

If there's one thing that I can't truly get behind in Dubas' plan, it's the lack of grinding role players that should be part of a 3rd and 4th line mix.

I mean, maybe Tampa really was onto something with getting Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman etc. You do need a bit of sandpaper.

That Yanni Gourde guy would be so amazing in Toronto. He's a close to a darcy tucker as I've seen, apart from maybe having better financial advice.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I mean, maybe Tampa really was onto something with getting Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman etc. You do need a bit of sandpaper.

Tampa also had to give up two 1st rounders and arguably their top prospect to get those guys though. So who knows if Dubas was in on either of them and get just outbid. The Leafs really weren't in a position to compete with those offers, especially with no 2020 1st round pick at that point.

I also don't think he's blind to the idea that having grit/sandpaper is beneficial. He's made trades in two straight years that brought in guys that fit that definition in Muzzin and Clifford.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That Yanni Gourde guy would be so amazing in Toronto. He's a close to a darcy tucker as I've seen, apart from maybe having better financial advice.

Justin Bourne said Dubas was a big fan of Gourde's before he got into the NHL.

 

[herman]

That Yanni Gourde guy would be so amazing in Toronto. He's a close to a darcy tucker as I've seen, apart from maybe having better financial advice.

Justin Bourne said Dubas was a big fan of Gourde's before he got into the NHL.

And Coleman, before they started to make noise. But he wasn?t the GM at the time.

Reference: Marlies beat
https://twitter.com/jeffveillette/status/1309160888620978176

 

[princedpw]

I heard someone mention Damon Severson for Travis Dermott and some picks.  I don?t know Severson at all but that seems like a good sort of path to me. Ok, not as good as AP, but only costs ~4 million, can plausibly be called a top-line dman, and it allows you to keep your forward group more-or-less intact.  A more balanced approach that is less risky or susceptible to injury.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I mean, maybe Tampa really was onto something with getting Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman etc. You do need a bit of sandpaper.

Tampa also had to give up two 1st rounders and arguably their top prospect to get those guys though. So who knows if Dubas was in on either of them and get just outbid. The Leafs really weren't in a position to compete with those offers, especially with no 2020 1st round pick at that point.

I also don't think he's blind to the idea that having grit/sandpaper is beneficial. He's made trades in two straight years that brought in guys that fit that definition in Muzzin and Clifford.

It's the most overblown thing attached to Dubas. He didn't win the Calder with all small skilled  players. He had a mixture of everything. I'm interested to see what he does this off/next season

 

[Bender]

I mean, maybe Tampa really was onto something with getting Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman etc. You do need a bit of sandpaper.

Tampa also had to give up two 1st rounders and arguably their top prospect to get those guys though. So who knows if Dubas was in on either of them and get just outbid. The Leafs really weren't in a position to compete with those offers, especially with no 2020 1st round pick at that point.

I also don't think he's blind to the idea that having grit/sandpaper is beneficial. He's made trades in two straight years that brought in guys that fit that definition in Muzzin and Clifford.

Oh I'm not criticizing the Leafs, just an observation on Tampa. I do think Dubas recognizes the costs to acquire players such as that we might need more of that on the team if the cost fits.

 

[herman]

I mean, maybe Tampa really was onto something with getting Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman etc. You do need a bit of sandpaper.

Tampa also had to give up two 1st rounders and arguably their top prospect to get those guys though. So who knows if Dubas was in on either of them and get just outbid. The Leafs really weren't in a position to compete with those offers, especially with no 2020 1st round pick at that point.

I also don't think he's blind to the idea that having grit/sandpaper is beneficial. He's made trades in two straight years that brought in guys that fit that definition in Muzzin and Clifford.

Oh I'm not criticizing the Leafs, just an observation on Tampa. I do think Dubas recognizes the costs to acquire players such as that we might need more of that on the team if the cost fits.

It should be noted that Tampa didn't burn their core depth to add these finishing pieces, and if anything, they really stuck to their guns even when they missed the playoffs due to injury (the Leafs got in with rookie Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Hyman instead) or got trounced by Columbus.

They did crush the top of their prospect pipeline to do it (and the McDonagh trade), but got some good production from UFAs who wanted to play on a strong team for a little less.

 

[Guilt Trip]

I mean, maybe Tampa really was onto something with getting Barclay Goodrow and Blake Coleman etc. You do need a bit of sandpaper.

Tampa also had to give up two 1st rounders and arguably their top prospect to get those guys though. So who knows if Dubas was in on either of them and get just outbid. The Leafs really weren't in a position to compete with those offers, especially with no 2020 1st round pick at that point.

I also don't think he's blind to the idea that having grit/sandpaper is beneficial. He's made trades in two straight years that brought in guys that fit that definition in Muzzin and Clifford.

Oh I'm not criticizing the Leafs, just an observation on Tampa. I do think Dubas recognizes the costs to acquire players such as that we might need more of that on the team if the cost fits.

It should be noted that Tampa didn't burn their core depth to add these finishing pieces, and if anything, they really stuck to their guns even when they missed the playoffs due to injury (the Leafs got in with rookie Matthews/Marner/Nylander/Hyman instead) or got trounced by Columbus.

They did crush the top of their prospect pipeline to do it (and the McDonagh trade), but got some good production from UFAs who wanted to play on a strong team for a little less.

Which is why the Leafs need to stick it out with the core here.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/LeafsNews/status/1310575448376709120

Pretty good article from MLHS here. It primarily makes the argument that Pietrangelo is actually more of an offensive defenceman than a defensive one and wonders if that's really what the Leafs should be spending massive dollars on.

The biggest thing I learned from it was that during St. Louis' Cup run it was actually Parayko playing the toughest shutdown minutes/assignments, not Pietrangelo.

 

[bustaheims]

I'd move Kerfoot and Johnsson to make the same cap room as Nylander and the team won't be hurt as much offensively. That's what I'd do if I'm getting a chance to sign AP.

That?s also not super for the team?s depth up front, but, I also question whether the right move is throwing all the cap space at Pietrangelo or if the Leafs would be better off using it on Brodie and DeMelo (for instance). They wouldn?t add the high end piece, but it would add two very good pieces to the blue line, increasing the defensive depth. Pietrangelo would make the team top heavy on the backend as well as up front.