Polak and Spaling traded to San Jose

[Bullfrog]

Fantastic trade. I was quite confident that Polak would get more than just a single 2nd round pick.

Glad Torres isn't coming over to the Marlies.

 

[Tigger]

I can't remember who it was but I heard someone on a podcast recently say they thought Polak could be worth a 2nd and 3rd given the market, pretty close.

 

[Bullfrog]

2nd and a 3rd is fairly accurate. Spaling was the bump up from 3rd to 2nd round.

 

[dappleganger]

Fantastic trade. I was quite confident that Polak would get more than just a single 2nd round pick.

Glad Torres isn't coming over to the Marlies.

I would take Torres on the Leafs.

 

[cabber24]

Mission accomplished as far I am concerned. The sole purpose of their signings was today. I know Polak brought some intangibles to the locker room but that was just gravy. Great job by management, our MVPs this year. 10 years from now we won't even remember these guys played for the Leafs but hopefully we'll be watching who we got for them. The cupboards are no longer bare!

 

[cabber24]

Fantastic trade. I was quite confident that Polak would get more than just a single 2nd round pick.

Glad Torres isn't coming over to the Marlies.

I would take Torres on the Leafs.

Really? He's not a horrible hockey player just a bit on a nut. Given the projection of the Leafs for the rest of the year he might as well stay where he is. However, if it came to down to pulling a potential Leaf from the Marlies I would rather have Torres play for the Leafs and leave the prospect on the Marlies to hopefully experience a deep AHL playoff run.

Maybe they should start airing Marlie games instead of Leaf games. The Marlie games are more relevant.

 

[Bill_Berg]

If we keep pumping the tires on how Dubas traded down to stretch one 1st Rder into so many high potential magic beans, do you think we could probably package some spare picks to another 'rebuilding' team for a top 50 pick.

These multiple future picks would make nice pot sweeteners to push another team to concede their 1st round pick too.

Maybe. But the way teams did that was a result of having a bunch of spare 2nds and 3rds. Teams were able to trade up 5 or 6 spots by virtue of including late 2nds/early 3rds. Those are exactly the kinds of picks the Leafs don't really have right now.

Can't they use the 2017 and 2018 picks for that?

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

Raffi effin' Torres?!

 

[bustaheims]

Raffi effin' Torres?!

It's okay. He's a Leaf in name only. He's not actually going to play for the Leafs or the Marlies.

 

[ZBBM]

That's fair. I guess the thing is, could the Leafs have traded Polak for a 2nd rounder this year? Yeah, I think they definitely could have. Could they have traded Spaling in a separate deal to even kind of make up the gap in value between the two trades separately and this one? Not a chance.

See, I look at this trade slightly differently. I think this trade maybe says that A) Spaling had some sort of 5th/6th round value and B) Polak's value was maybe a bit higher than we thought. Not 1st round value but maybe 2nd and a 4th or 2nd and a 5th.

Bingo.

Despite the rough ride he got from some Leafs fans, Polak is a solid dman with a RH shot who plays Western-Conference rough but can still skate.  Like you say, not quite enough to fetch a 1st, but at the same time any team in the league looking to pick up that particular kind of defenseman would give a 2nd for sure.  So, assuming there's bidding, it makes sense that the return would be more.  Hence Lou was able to dump Spaling on them for a 2nd.

 

[Kin]

Can't they use the 2017 and 2018 picks for that?

They can, sure. It's not necessarily great in terms of value though. Ottawa and San Jose's 2nd rounders in 2017 could be anywhere in the draft order so by including them you could be in a situation where, say, you're trading a #32 and what ends up as the #37 pick for the #27, something I think probably seems like bad value.

 

[Highlander]

All the trades are fantastic, now if we can just move Bozy, Lupal and Bernier

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Lines at practice:

Grabner-Kadri-Leipsic
Greening-Arcobello-Parenteau
Winnik-Holland-Boyes
Leivo-Froese-Clune
Komarov

Marincin-Rielly
Gardiner-Corrado
Loov-Percy
Cowen

Nice to see Leipsic getting a shot at the top-line. Would have swapped Winnik and Leivo but not entirely surprising to see it that way.

I'm actually pretty curious to see how that top-4 fares. Marincin's shown a consistent ability to limit shot attempts against, something that Rielly has struggled with. Obviously he hasn't done it against top opposition yet though. And Corrado still possibly has some untapped potential. He's probably best suited for a bottom pair role but if he plays well with Gardiner then who knows.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Lines at practice:

Grabner-Kadri-Leipsic
Greening-Arcobello-Parenteau
Winnik-Holland-Boyes
Leivo-Froese-Clune
Komarov

Marincin-Rielly
Gardiner-Corrado
Loov-Percy
Cowen

I'm actually pretty curious to see how that top-4 fares. Marincin's shown a consistent ability to limit shot attempts against, something that Rielly has struggled with. Obviously he hasn't done it against top opposition yet though. And Corrado still possibly has some untapped potential. He's probably best suited for a bottom-6 role but if he plays well with Gardiner then who knows.

Corrado the one true Corsi God.

 

[L K]

Lines at practice:

Grabner-Kadri-Leipsic
Greening-Arcobello-Parenteau
Winnik-Holland-Boyes
Leivo-Froese-Clune
Komarov

Marincin-Rielly
Gardiner-Corrado
Loov-Percy
Cowen

Nice to see Leipsic getting a shot at the top-line. Would have swapped Winnik and Leivo but not entirely surprising to see it that way.

I'm actually pretty curious to see how that top-4 fares. Marincin's shown a consistent ability to limit shot attempts against, something that Rielly has struggled with. Obviously he hasn't done it against top opposition yet though. And Corrado still possibly has some untapped potential. He's probably best suited for a bottom pair role but if he plays well with Gardiner then who knows.

It will be interesting to see how the Marlies respond to guys getting plucked.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Can't they use the 2017 and 2018 picks for that?

They can, sure. It's not necessarily great in terms of value though. Ottawa and San Jose's 2nd rounders in 2017 could be anywhere in the draft order so by including them you could be in a situation where, say, you're trading a #32 and what ends up as the #37 pick for the #27, something I think probably seems like bad value.

Unless next year's picks are by default considered late picks,, which I suppose to some degree they are, it's a gamble either side could win. I wonder how much debate on how good SJ will be next year would go into a trade discussion for the 2017 pick.

 

[ZBBM]

Lines at practice:

Grabner-Kadri-Leipsic
Greening-Arcobello-Parenteau
Winnik-Holland-Boyes
Leivo-Froese-Clune
Komarov

Marincin-Rielly
Gardiner-Corrado
Loov-Percy
Cowen

Nice to see Leipsic getting a shot at the top-line. Would have swapped Winnik and Leivo but not entirely surprising to see it that way.

I'm actually pretty curious to see how that top-4 fares. Marincin's shown a consistent ability to limit shot attempts against, something that Rielly has struggled with. Obviously he hasn't done it against top opposition yet though. And Corrado still possibly has some untapped potential. He's probably best suited for a bottom pair role but if he plays well with Gardiner then who knows.

Great point about the D.  They are what I'll be focusing most on the rest of this season, because more than the forwards there are pieces there beyond Rielly that might be part of the long-term of the team.

 

[dappleganger]

Fantastic trade. I was quite confident that Polak would get more than just a single 2nd round pick.

Glad Torres isn't coming over to the Marlies.

I would take Torres on the Leafs.

Really? He's not a horrible hockey player just a bit on a nut. Given the projection of the Leafs for the rest of the year he might as well stay where he is. However, if it came to down to pulling a potential Leaf from the Marlies I would rather have Torres play for the Leafs and leave the prospect on the Marlies to hopefully experience a deep AHL playoff run.

Maybe they should start airing Marlie games instead of Leaf games. The Marlie games are more relevant.

Yeah, keep the Marlies down. Torres wouldn't hurt the tank. I've heard he is a good guy in the room. He could add some spice to the remaining Leaf games.

I wouldn't mind seeing Torres and Komarov on opposite wings.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I think there's a decent case to be made that Polak as a rental fetched more than Phaneuf.

 

[bustaheims]

I think there's a decent case to be made that Polak as a rental fetched more than Phaneuf.

I suppose that depends on how you value Cowen, Michalek & Greening and/or the potential return on trading them by next year's deadline.