R1, G6: Lightning vs. Maple Leafs - Apr. 29th, 7:00pm - CBC, TSN 1050

[L K]

Hey CtB, do you know how to make more GDTs.  What comes after R1?

 

[barney_rebel]

Good morning.

We still rule man...

 

[Joe S.]

Not to kick TB when they're down, but that massive overpayment deadline deal for Jeanneaut will have to go down as one of the worst in cap era history.

No way, a 25+ goals, 100+PIMs annually.

That actually isn't Jeannot though....

I am probably one of the biggest Jeannot homers on this web site but I am not sure if you realize that last season he only had one point from April 1st to the end of the season on April 29th. That is 15 games...yup...15 games.

In the playoffs last year he only had 1 assist and was -4.

I understand that he looks like a UNICORN but last season he had an insane 19.4 S% after riding a 21.7 S% the 15 games he played at the end of 20-21.

After the trade to Tampa Bay he played 20 games and scored only 1 goal, was a -6 and shot at 5%. This year's playoffs he played 3 games 0 goals, 0 assists and -2 against the Leafs bottom 6.

So Jeannot costing:

Cal Foote ? $850,000
2023 3rd round pick (TBL - #84)
2023 4th round pick (TBL - #116)
2023 5th round pick (TBL - #148)
2024 2nd round pick (TBL)
2025 1st round pick (TBL) [Conditional]*
*Conditions: Top 10 protected

...is a bit much and like I said, in the past I was one of Jeannot's biggest fans.

It?s more than a bit much. It?s sheer lunacy. This trade made no sense at all at that cost. Imagine the leafs gave up the same haul for Clarkson instead of that horrific contract.

 

[Guilt Trip]

It's more than a bit much. It's sheer lunacy. This trade made no sense at all at that cost. Imagine the leafs gave up the same haul for Clarkson instead of that horrific contract.

Lots of fans wanted the Leafs to grab Jeannot. Sure glad they didn't.

 

[Joe S.]

It's more than a bit much. It's sheer lunacy. This trade made no sense at all at that cost. Imagine the leafs gave up the same haul for Clarkson instead of that horrific contract.

Lots of fans wanted the Leafs to grab Jeannot. Sure glad they didn't.

I mean personally I didn?t hear anything but fine, even if they did, had the leafs given up a package like that I would have been all aboard the fire Dubas train.

 

[Omallley]

It's more than a bit much. It's sheer lunacy. This trade made no sense at all at that cost. Imagine the leafs gave up the same haul for Clarkson instead of that horrific contract.

Lots of fans wanted the Leafs to grab Jeannot. Sure glad they didn't.

I mean personally I didn?t hear anything but fine, even if they did, had the leafs given up a package like that I would have been all aboard the fire Dubas train.

Yeah, I'll take O'Reilly and Acciari for a similar price, thanks.

 

[Britishbulldog]

This made me laugh..
https://twitter.com/LeafsAllDayy/status/1652678575080849412

That is so funny!

To answer the Twitter question? After Jeannot made a blatant (in-penalized) interference play against Taveras with less than two minutes in a tie game I was wondering what his coach actually thought of him and not just his teammates. He then was scratched, and I think it became a little obvious?

 

[Britishbulldog]

Three OT games and the Leafs legit stole two wins from Tampa.  He wasn't wrong.  Tampa put up a good fight.

I agree. Tampa played very well and the series easily could have gone the other way. Saying so doesn't take away from what the Leafs did. Playing as well as they did with the monkeys on their backs is a legit accomplishment no matter how the other team played but Tampa, a team that was really only in this position because the Cap has basically gutted their depth, did themselves proud.

I actually agree with Cooper and you guys.

I take solace in the fact of the number of games, the leafs out played their opponent, and still lost in the last 19 years. How many times we would say the other teams should not have won and the leafs should have but we could never figure it out? well this time it was finally the reverse.

 

[Arn]

I enjoyed Tavares emotion when he scored. He enjoyed that.

 

[azzurri63]

Not to kick TB when they're down, but that massive overpayment deadline deal for Jeanneaut will have to go down as one of the worst in cap era history.

No way, a 25+ goals, 100+PIMs annually.

That actually isn't Jeannot though....

I am probably one of the biggest Jeannot homers on this web site but I am not sure if you realize that last season he only had one point from April 1st to the end of the season on April 29th. That is 15 games...yup...15 games.

In the playoffs last year he only had 1 assist and was -4.

I understand that he looks like a UNICORN but last season he had an insane 19.4 S% after riding a 21.7 S% the 15 games he played at the end of 20-21.

After the trade to Tampa Bay he played 20 games and scored only 1 goal, was a -6 and shot at 5%. This year's playoffs he played 3 games 0 goals, 0 assists and -2 against the Leafs bottom 6.

So Jeannot costing:

Cal Foote ? $850,000
2023 3rd round pick (TBL - #84)
2023 4th round pick (TBL - #116)
2023 5th round pick (TBL - #148)
2024 2nd round pick (TBL)
2025 1st round pick (TBL) [Conditional]*
*Conditions: Top 10 protected

...is a bit much and like I said, in the past I was one of Jeannot's biggest fans.

Ridiculous overpayment. Good to see as a Leaf fan. No idea what Brisebois was thinking.

 

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[ZBBM]

Everybody still breathing?

Good.

 

[ZBBM]

I'm going to reinforce something azzurri posted yesterday.  I don't know how far we'll get from here on out, but I do think you'll see the team play better ? play our game.  We had the first best goalie in R1 but the second best team overall.

Now that the weight of the past is off their shoulders (and out of their heads) they'll be free to play the gamestyle they do best without being held back by fear of failure.  Which they need to do ... as herman mentioned they kind of rope-a-doped the Lightning (and got away with it because of Samsonov).  But they can't afford to keep having tentative starts and playing from behind.

I think it will be really interesting to see how they play R2G1.  Best-case scenario, they use this win over TB as a catapult.

 

[ZBBM]

If anyone's interested, here's a take from the NYT.  They lean heavily on Borje symbolism:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/30/sports/hockey/toronto-maple-leafs-nhl-playoffs.html

 

[Frank E]

I'm going to reinforce something azzurri posted yesterday.  I don't know how far we'll get from here on out, but I do think you'll see the team play better ? play our game.  We had the first best goalie in R1 but the second best team overall.

Now that the weight of the past is off their shoulders (and out of their heads) they'll be free to play the gamestyle they do best without being held back by fear of failure.  Which they need to do ... as herman mentioned they kind of rope-a-doped the Lightning (and got away with it because of Samsonov).  But they can't afford to keep having tentative starts and playing from behind.

I think it will be really interesting to see how they play R2G1.  Best-case scenario, they use this win over TB as a catapult.

I can run with this...I hope you're right.  Monkey off their back on all, play a little looser.

 

[herman]

I wouldn?t say the Leafs rope-a-doped them deliberately, but they did concede the first periods knowing there would be opportunities later in the games if they limited the scoring chances off the extended zone times.

I definitely agree it would be much better to see the Leafs exert their will and playstyle on the opponent.

 

[ZBBM]

I wouldn?t say the Leafs rope-a-doped them deliberately, but they did concede the first periods knowing there would be opportunities later in the games if they limited the scoring chances off the extended zone times.

I definitely agree it would be much better to see the Leafs exert their will and playstyle on the opponent.

That makes sense.  I'm sure they would have imposed their will on TB if they could have.  But almost no one can, which is why they are the best team in recent years. 

But in Capworld, by design, you can only stay at the top so long.  My guess is that TB is now going to drift downward.

 

[ZBBM]

BTW one thing I think the Leafs did very well was take care of Kucherov and Point (and Stamkos).  Did Kucherov even score at even strength?  If he did, I can't remember it.  Our top guns outplayed theirs.

 

[cabber24]

Three OT games and the Leafs legit stole two wins from Tampa.  He wasn't wrong.  Tampa put up a good fight.

I agree. Tampa played very well and the series easily could have gone the other way. Saying so doesn't take away from what the Leafs did. Playing as well as they did with the monkeys on their backs is a legit accomplishment no matter how the other team played but Tampa, a team that was really only in this position because the Cap has basically gutted their depth, did themselves proud.

I actually agree with Cooper and you guys.

I take solace in the fact of the number of games, the leafs out played their opponent, and still lost in the last 19 years. How many times we would say the other teams should not have won and the leafs should have but we could never figure it out? well this time it was finally the reverse.

Right? How is it possible we couldn't get out of the first round in 19 years? Felt dumbfounded more times than I care to remember. We were so overdue. How could we possibly feel unworthy? Leafs Nation is entitled to some breaks and some. The best part, like some have said, they have not played their best hockey. Let's enjoy the ride because I think they got a long run in them.

 

[Kin]

Right? How is it possible we couldn't get out of the first round in 19 years?

I mean, it's really not that crazy when you factor in that for 12 years the team was very poorly managed and only made the playoffs once. Not making it out of the first round the last five years was some bad luck and bad matchups but it was also a young team figuring its stuff out.

Also, and I hope now that the streak is over this can be seen as just a fact rather than an "excuse", but the Leafs went from one of the worst teams in the league to a playoff team over night. Some of the years where they made the playoffs in that stretch were them over-achieving regardless of how they actually did in the playoffs. Most teams in the third year of a rebuild are still getting 80-90 points while the Leafs were making the playoffs with 100+ points and losing a 7 game series and people were categorizing those years as failures.