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Reimer Injury

Do we have any idea on how long he'll be gone? I mean, I just want to know if we're talking weeks or months, or if we have no clue at all?
 
Burke basically said on the fan this morning that they still haven't a clue when Reimer will be back and if this drags on much longer, they well "sniff around" for a goaltender. He also said it won't be Turco either. I guess the key thing I can take from that is they've pretty much given up on Gustavsson as a NHL goalie.
 
Bender said:
Bonsixx said:
Excellent piece (gasp, I know) by Damien Cox on this so-called parent trap:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/article/1087673--cox-leaf-braintrust-should-stick-to-hockey

Actually, I wasn't particularly a fan of it and found it a rambling diatribe against the Leafs for having a media policy.

Meh, the Leafs want to control the truth and have their panties in a knot that a reporter found a way around that. Their constant whining about it makes it even worse.
 
Yeah but nobody really knows any more than they did before, I mean Goose and Mrs Reimer aren't doctors and the Leafs have a team to run, it's a tiny little teapot that seems to be mostly media driven, I just don't care until a doctor confirms one way or the other.

Also this may allude to Burke's consideration of Goose but only as a starter.
 
Floyd said:
I guess the key thing I can take from that is they've pretty much given up on Gustavsson as a NHL goalie.

I am at work and cannot listen now. Please expand on this part of what you said. Did Burke say anything like that or is this just your take and nothing more?
 
Fanatic said:
Floyd said:
I guess the key thing I can take from that is they've pretty much given up on Gustavsson as a NHL goalie.

I am at work and cannot listen now. Please expand on this part of what you said. Did Burke say anything like that or is this just your take and nothing more?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/11/16/burke_turco/
Burke said the team will consider addressing the goalie position if No. 1 goaltender James Reimer doesn't make progress with his health. Reimer remains out indefinitely and continues to suffer from concussion-like symptoms.

"We're exploring those options. If this (Reimer's injury) doesn't resolve itself in short order, we're going to have a sniff around and see what's there," Burke explained.

"He has persisting concussion-like symptoms. As we divulged from the get-go, he was not concussed but (Reimer) has headaches that persist."

Burke said the team will continue to take a cautious approach with Reimer, based on the league's commitment to protecting the safety of its players.

"Until he's asymptomatic, he cannot do off-ice workouts. Until he completes off-ice workouts, he cannot go on the ice and so on. The protocol for concussion-like symptoms is the same as for concussions.


There's audio in that link as well NSFW
 
Fanatic said:
Floyd said:
I guess the key thing I can take from that is they've pretty much given up on Gustavsson as a NHL goalie.

I am at work and cannot listen now. Please expand on this part of what you said. Did Burke say anything like that or is this just your take and nothing more?

Like I said, just my take... and thanks cw.
 
Firstly, I agree with Wilson and everyone else when I say interviewing family members is off limits and its pretty low to go that far... ridiculous even.

However, it was surprising to me at least to learn that according to his mother, reimer has had a history of concussions. That being the case, im not surprised hes been out as long as he has and I would not be shocked to learn that he's done for the season and his career could be over as well.

If he's still experiencing symptoms at this stage without "having" a concussion, that should speak volumes to anybody familiar with concussion symptoms and effects. The cumulative damage on his brain from the past his mother vaguely spoke of all of a sudden was a pretty obvious "uh oh" moment for me.

1st concussion ever? Yeah don't worry about it. 5, 6 + and you get bumped in the head and that causes you headaches for months after the fact? Yeah, you probobly should not be playing hockey.

EDIT: Im not suggesting or assuming Reimer has had that many concussions or is in any kind of state like that, im only speculating that from the little we're allowed to know about his condition right now is consistent with someone that has had multiple concussions in the past.
 
cw said:
Fanatic said:
Floyd said:
I guess the key thing I can take from that is they've pretty much given up on Gustavsson as a NHL goalie.

I am at work and cannot listen now. Please expand on this part of what you said. Did Burke say anything like that or is this just your take and nothing more?

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2011/11/16/burke_turco/
Burke said the team will consider addressing the goalie position if No. 1 goaltender James Reimer doesn't make progress with his health. Reimer remains out indefinitely and continues to suffer from concussion-like symptoms.

"We're exploring those options. If this (Reimer's injury) doesn't resolve itself in short order, we're going to have a sniff around and see what's there," Burke explained.

"He has persisting concussion-like symptoms. As we divulged from the get-go, he was not concussed but (Reimer) has headaches that persist."

Burke said the team will continue to take a cautious approach with Reimer, based on the league's commitment to protecting the safety of its players.

"Until he's asymptomatic, he cannot do off-ice workouts. Until he completes off-ice workouts, he cannot go on the ice and so on. The protocol for concussion-like symptoms is the same as for concussions.


There's audio in that link as well NSFW

If your # 1 goalie goes down you turn to your 27 year old back-up who is in his 3rd season in the NHL. If you cannot rely on him it is either because he is not developed enough yet or because he is a bust.

I agree with Floyd. I take from that (as well as the fact that Scrivens has been getting all the starts) that Gus is a bust and his days in Toronto are numbered.
 
Fanatic said:
If your # 1 goalie goes down you turn to your 27 year old back-up who is in his 3rd season in the NHL. If you cannot rely on him it is either because he is not developed enough yet or because he is a bust.

I agree with Floyd. I take from that (as well as the fact that Scrivens has been getting all the starts) that Gus is a bust and his days in Toronto are numbered.

That's hard to disagree with. Development time is over for Gus. Wilson's butt is on the line. He's going to go with the guy that gives Wilson the best chance to win or pick up points.

Burke also saying that he'll look to acquire another goalie if Reimer continues on the IR pretty much seals it.

Both goalies have .500 pts win%.

Scrivens .904 save% 2.92 GAA
Gus        .878 save% 3.78 GAA

Not enough games to be fairly conclusive but Scrivens certainly has a statistical edge now.
 
cw said:
Fanatic said:
If your # 1 goalie goes down you turn to your 27 year old back-up who is in his 3rd season in the NHL. If you cannot rely on him it is either because he is not developed enough yet or because he is a bust.

I agree with Floyd. I take from that (as well as the fact that Scrivens has been getting all the starts) that Gus is a bust and his days in Toronto are numbered.

That's hard to disagree with. Development time is over for Gus. Wilson's butt is on the line. He's going to go with the guy that gives Wilson the best chance to win or pick up points.

Burke also saying that he'll look to acquire another goalie if Reimer continues on the IR pretty much seals it.

Both goalies have .500 pts win%.

Scrivens .904 save% 2.92 GAA
Gus        .878 save% 3.78 GAA

Not enough games to be fairly conclusive but Scrivens certainly has a statistical edge now.

So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Maybe. Maybe not.

If Reimer came back healthy soon and was playing well, I'd play him 9 of every 10 games if I was intent on making the playoffs. And I might send Scrivens down to get a bunch of games in the AHL while Gus rides the pine and might even be piggish enough to bring Scrivens up 1 out of every 10 games if he shows more over the next few games.

I'd like to see how Ben does for the next few games - to see if there's any improvement. No matter what, he's starting to look like he has more of a future than Gus right now and he needs to play.
 
Busta Reims said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.

At the same time he publicly stated that he'll be looking for other goaltending options. I love how people make Burke look like a moron because the lack of information is indicative that Burke is an idiot.
 
Busta Reims said:
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
So Burke's genius idea is to go with Scrivens as the backup?  Because he was just as "Gus" as Gus last night.

Except, with Gustavsson, 2 goals would have become 4 before the Leafs scored their first. Scrivens rebounded last night in a way Gustavsson has yet to show this season.

Pretty much.  I was impressed with how well he played after that initial 5 minutes.  There was a time late in the 3rd he made 3 huge saves also, culminating in that glove save on Hanzel was it?

Gus would have wilted on that guaranteed.
 
Fanatic said:
cw said:
Not enough games to be fairly conclusive but Scrivens certainly has a statistical edge now.

That, plus he has more upside simply because he is NOT in his 3rd NHL season.

I can cut Gus some slack for his first two seasons with losing his mother and heart ailments. I'm running out of excuses now.
 
cw said:
Fanatic said:
cw said:
Not enough games to be fairly conclusive but Scrivens certainly has a statistical edge now.

That, plus he has more upside simply because he is NOT in his 3rd NHL season.

I can cut Gus some slack for his first two seasons with losing his mother and heart ailments. I'm running out of excuses now.

You really have to wonder how much those personal setbacks have influenced his confidence under the bright lights of T.O. Bottom line is he isn't getting the job done here and now. I could see a rejuvination with a lower profile team though.
 

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