Resigning Zach Hyman?

[Deebo]

A 7 v 8 year commitment is negligible IMO.

They won't get the player without going at least 7 it seems, so adding the 8th to lower the cap hit doesn't seem like a big deal. Yes the impact is only ~400k, but that's why its a mid-round pick and not something more valuable that they would give up to have it happen.

I get disagreeing with going 7 to begin with, but I don't think the 8th makes it significantly worse. The alternative to not going 7 is not getting Hyman, and I get preferring that option, but it appears the Oilers want him.

400k in extra cap room when you are right at the ceiling can help with the flexibility of moving players up and down from the minors as well as mid season deals. We saw how tight things were for us last year.

But as Carlton said, he will probably end up on LTIR eventually and perhaps traded at that point.

 

[Guilt Trip]

He's def gone now and good on Dubas not paying him...let's see what the comp is..
https://twitter.com/koshtorontosun/status/1418680215530872834

 

[lamajama]

I really liked Hyman but his style of play just doesn?t bode well for a
sustainable impact into his 30?s. He?ll do well for 2-3 years unless he breaks down again due to his aggressive play. 7 or 8? Yikes but I wish
him well

 

[Highlander]

Zach was broken at for the playoffs for the last two years. More of the same was coming. I love Zach and think he should have taken a home town discount, but I am not Zach or his accountant.

 

[L K]

Looks like no return for Hyman and he will sign a 7-year deal once free agency comes around.  Dubas reportedly turned down a 6th round pick for his rights

 

[Redleaf]

So we lose Hyman and McCann falls through.

I have little faith that this team will be better than the one that was iced last season. In fact, it likely will be worse and perhaps even much worse.

 

[Bullfrog]

Losing Hyman sucks, but I don't think it makes the team "much worse."

 

[Bender]

So we lose Hyman and McCann falls through.

I have little faith that this team will be better than the one that was iced last season. In fact, it likely will be worse and perhaps even much worse.

They should've attempted to resign Hyman last year.

At the same time maybe they think Hyman is a product of playing with great players. I'm perfectly happy letting Edmonton sign an inflated contract. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

So we lose Hyman and McCann falls through.

I have little faith that this team will be better than the one that was iced last season. In fact, it likely will be worse and perhaps even much worse.

They should've attempted to resign Hyman last year.

At the same time maybe they think Hyman is a product of playing with great players. I'm perfectly happy letting Edmonton sign an inflated contract. 

If the Leafs wanted to pay Hyman 5 mill, they could have...they don't think he's worth that much and I agree.

 

[Redleaf]

So we lose Hyman and McCann falls through.

I have little faith that this team will be better than the one that was iced last season. In fact, it likely will be worse and perhaps even much worse.

They should've attempted to resign Hyman last year.

At the same time maybe they think Hyman is a product of playing with great players. I'm perfectly happy letting Edmonton sign an inflated contract. 

If the Leafs wanted to pay Hyman 5 mill, they could have...they don't think he's worth that much and I agree.

No. I agree. He priced himself out of staying here. My issue is in order to be better (or even as good) as last season they need to improve from the departures . Unless Dubas has some major surprises in the works , I don?t see how we possibly can .

I get that everyone expects Matthews, Marner and Nylander to continue to get better with age and experience but without upgrading the pool of depth players it won?t be enough to move the needle, particularly if the 2nd tier talent gets downgraded this off-season. Hyman and McCann were a big part of that secondary talent I was hoping to retain.

 

[Bender]

So we lose Hyman and McCann falls through.

I have little faith that this team will be better than the one that was iced last season. In fact, it likely will be worse and perhaps even much worse.

They should've attempted to resign Hyman last year.

At the same time maybe they think Hyman is a product of playing with great players. I'm perfectly happy letting Edmonton sign an inflated contract. 

If the Leafs wanted to pay Hyman 5 mill, they could have...they don't think he's worth that much and I agree.

Right but if they could've had him at 4m last year?

 

[Kin]

I have little faith that this team will be better than the one that was iced last season. In fact, it likely will be worse and perhaps even much worse.

I hate to break it to you but most capped out teams are almost certainly going to get worse the next year. That's how the cap, especially a flat cap, works.

 

[Redleaf]

I have little faith that this team will be better than the one that was iced last season. In fact, it likely will be worse and perhaps even much worse.

I hate to break it to you but most capped out teams are almost certainly going to get worse the next year. That's how the cap, especially a flat cap, works.

Right. And this is a different conversation altogether, but I would have thought by now Dubas would have made a course correction on the Core-FOUR eating up so much cap room.

 

[rdowdall]

So we lose Hyman and McCann falls through.

I have little faith that this team will be better than the one that was iced last season. In fact, it likely will be worse and perhaps even much worse.

I think that the big four contracts are a blessing and a curse.  This team is only going to go as far as they take it.  In my mind that means that management is left dabbling in the margins.  So while it means that it's hard for this team to get better, it also means that it's hard for them to get worse as well.

 

[Kin]

Right. And this is a different conversation altogether, but I would have thought by now Dubas would have made a course correction on the Core-FOUR eating up so much cap room.

Like you say, that's a different conversation.

Anyways, until that happens(or if that happens) any big improvements are almost certainly going to be internal. So it's not about Matthews/Marner/Nylander getting better so much as it is Robertson/Liljegren/Sandin taking big steps forward.

 

[Peter D.]

Looks like no return for Hyman and he will sign a 7-year deal once free agency comes around.  Dubas reportedly turned down a 6th round pick for his rights

What am I missing here?  Unless Dubas thinks he still has a chance of re-signing Hyman between now and Wednesday, why not basically take whatever you can get for a guy you are going to lose.

Edmonton is no longer in the Leafs' division and they'll be in the other conference, so it's not like he has to worry about Hyman coming back to bite them or something.  Who cares if they give him 8 years and/or it lowers the cap hit on him.  Not like it affects the Leafs one iota.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Looks like no return for Hyman and he will sign a 7-year deal once free agency comes around.  Dubas reportedly turned down a 6th round pick for his rights

What am I missing here?  Unless Dubas thinks he still has a chance of re-signing Hyman between now and Wednesday, why not basically take whatever you can get for a guy you are going to lose.

Edmonton is no longer in the Leafs' division and they'll be in the other conference, so it's not like he has to worry about Hyman coming back to bite them or something.  Who cares if they give him 8 years and/or it lowers the cap hit on him.  Not like it affects the Leafs one iota.

It affects everyone regardless of divisions. It takes money away from Edm who may be competing against the Leafs for a player in free agency. Every dollar counts.

 

[Chris]

1) I'm OK with Dubas if he refuses the 6th rounder for the extra year on Hyman. As we've seen with the Leafs this year, every dollar saved contracts can be important (maybe he learned that lesson after signing that Marner deal). So if the Oilers want it, they should pay something more than a 6th.

2) Regarding the expansion draft, I'm also OK with protecting Holl and losing McCann. The Leafs only lost Hallander in the draft since McCann was never "really" on the team (McCann wouldn't have been available at that price if Pitt wasn't going to lose him). I think I would have preferred if Seattle took Kerfoot for a variety of reasons (McCann cheaper, younger, better goal scorer) but Kerfoot could still be moved if necessary. And he was good in the playoffs.

3) For the upcoming season I really hope the Leafs try spreading out the talent to 3 lines. We've got 4 guys who should be capable of elevating their linemates. Give that a shot and see what happens. I don't know which duo stays intact. Maybe give Matthews his own 1st line, put Marner and Tavares on line 2, and Nylander on line 3 and go from there. Kerfoot (if he stays) goes with either Matthews or Nylander. Galchenyuk and Robertson can fight for another spot.

 

[Peter D.]

Looks like no return for Hyman and he will sign a 7-year deal once free agency comes around.  Dubas reportedly turned down a 6th round pick for his rights

What am I missing here?  Unless Dubas thinks he still has a chance of re-signing Hyman between now and Wednesday, why not basically take whatever you can get for a guy you are going to lose.

Edmonton is no longer in the Leafs' division and they'll be in the other conference, so it's not like he has to worry about Hyman coming back to bite them or something.  Who cares if they give him 8 years and/or it lowers the cap hit on him.  Not like it affects the Leafs one iota.

It affects everyone regardless of divisions. It takes money away from Edm who may be competing against the Leafs for a player in free agency. Every dollar counts.

The Leafs could also draft the next Mark Stone with the 6th rounder.

Every dollar, asset and pick counts.

 

[Kin]

I feel like a 6th is something that a team could just go out and get if they really wanted one. Just by throwing some AHL depth around.