Rick Nash to NYR

[Kin]

I think it's important to keep in mind that it wasn't too long ago that Howson was getting torn apart for asking for way too much for Nash. What was he asking for? Two good young roster players, two high level prospects and a first round pick. What did he get? Two good young roster players, one high level prospect and a first round pick.

 

[maplesyrup]

It's possible folks (including myself) are undervaluing Erixon. Since the announcement, there have been a bunch of people on the net raving about him. With that said, I still love the deal very much for the Rangers. Perfect player for the perfect team at the perfect time. 

 

[Jalili]

It's possible folks (including myself) are undervaluing Erixon. Since the announcement, there have been a bunch of people on the net raving about him. With that said, I still love the deal very much for the Rangers. Perfect player for the perfect team at the perfect time.

Solid future 2nd pairing guy's what I've heard about him in the past.

 

[dappleganger]

Contrary to reports, I heard Howson and Sather only spoke once about the trade.

 

[Corn Flake]

Was it so long ago that Slats was a laughingstock, over the hill, etc.?  After a bunch of pretty crappy years he has re-emerged as a highly effective GM -- arguably one of the best in the game right now.

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

I don't know if it's a matter of Sather vs. Burke, but the Rangers have one of the best scouting staffs in the league. Their drafting over the last decade, especially outside the 1st round, is superb.

Sather has had a 12 years in his role.  In his first few years he did a lot of things that didn't work and they were a mess for a while.  They missed the playoffs for the first 4 years he was there and he went through 3 coaches and a superstar goalie who came out of nowhere to get there.  He made all sorts of terrible mistakes in the UFA market before and after the lockout. 

He inherited a team that was abysmal and it took ages to get it to respectability. He was mocked almost the entire time and only recently seems to be getting some respect.  Despite that, the Rangers have only won 4 playoff rounds post-lockout.  How many times did we hear about him losing it or the game passing him by?  All the while the Rangers slowly and patiently developed their scouting and drafting and the results are quite obvious.  But it took 8 years just to get back to the show and another 3 after that to be a contender.

Is this sounding familiar at all?

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

The Rangers will probably feel it in in 2014 when Lundqvist, Callahan, Gaborik, Kreider, Boyle, Girardi, Pyatt, Asham, and Rupp's contracts are all up for re-signing.

 

[ZBBM]

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

Much in the same way you could argue that Cheerios are a better breakfast cereal than a big bowl of dirt.

Depends on if you're a worm or not.

 

[ZBBM]

Was it so long ago that Slats was a laughingstock, over the hill, etc.?  After a bunch of pretty crappy years he has re-emerged as a highly effective GM -- arguably one of the best in the game right now.

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

Except maybe Burke is going through the laughingstock years much like Sather did, as you suggested? So comparing one in the midst of fixing the mess vs. the other who has come out the other side by a few years now may not really be fair?

Well, Sather made his messy bed over many years and is now redeeming himself.  Burke is the one who tried to shortcut it rather than rebuild so I don't think a comparison of their recent work is at all unfair. 

 

[ZBBM]

Was it so long ago that Slats was a laughingstock, over the hill, etc.?  After a bunch of pretty crappy years he has re-emerged as a highly effective GM -- arguably one of the best in the game right now.

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

I don't know if it's a matter of Sather vs. Burke, but the Rangers have one of the best scouting staffs in the league. Their drafting over the last decade, especially outside the 1st round, is superb.

Lundqvist, Callahan, Staal, Tyutin, Stepan, Del Zotto, Hagelin, Dubinsky, Anisimov, Sauer, Zidlicky, and I might be missing a few guys. Then there's Kreider, McIlrath and Miller in the system as well,and Kreider especially is regarded as a blue chipper.

When you've got a scouting staff that can snipe talent like there's can, it gives the GM a lot more to work with.

Very true.  I don't have any big beef with our recent scouting, FWIW. 

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

Was it so long ago that Slats was a laughingstock, over the hill, etc.?  After a bunch of pretty crappy years he has re-emerged as a highly effective GM -- arguably one of the best in the game right now.

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

Except maybe Burke is going through the laughingstock years much like Sather did, as you suggested? So comparing one in the midst of fixing the mess vs. the other who has come out the other side by a few years now may not really be fair?

Well, Sather made his messy bed over many years and is now redeeming himself.  Burke is the one who tried to shortcut it rather than rebuild so I don't think a comparison of their recent work is at all unfair.

Did Sather make his messy bed because he tried to shortcut it?

 

[ZBBM]

Was it so long ago that Slats was a laughingstock, over the hill, etc.?  After a bunch of pretty crappy years he has re-emerged as a highly effective GM -- arguably one of the best in the game right now.

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

Except maybe Burke is going through the laughingstock years much like Sather did, as you suggested? So comparing one in the midst of fixing the mess vs. the other who has come out the other side by a few years now may not really be fair?

Well, Sather made his messy bed over many years and is now redeeming himself.  Burke is the one who tried to shortcut it rather than rebuild so I don't think a comparison of their recent work is at all unfair.

Did Sather make his messy bed because he tried to shortcut it?

Several times.  Yearly, almost.

 

[ZBBM]

Was it so long ago that Slats was a laughingstock, over the hill, etc.?  After a bunch of pretty crappy years he has re-emerged as a highly effective GM -- arguably one of the best in the game right now.

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

I don't know if it's a matter of Sather vs. Burke, but the Rangers have one of the best scouting staffs in the league. Their drafting over the last decade, especially outside the 1st round, is superb.

Sather has had a 12 years in his role.  In his first few years he did a lot of things that didn't work and they were a mess for a while.  They missed the playoffs for the first 4 years he was there and he went through 3 coaches and a superstar goalie who came out of nowhere to get there.  He made all sorts of terrible mistakes in the UFA market before and after the lockout. 

He inherited a team that was abysmal and it took ages to get it to respectability. He was mocked almost the entire time and only recently seems to be getting some respect.  Despite that, the Rangers have only won 4 playoff rounds post-lockout.  How many times did we hear about him losing it or the game passing him by?  All the while the Rangers slowly and patiently developed their scouting and drafting and the results are quite obvious.  But it took 8 years just to get back to the show and another 3 after that to be a contender.

Is this sounding familiar at all?

So you are predicting that we will start making the playoffs this year?

And you agree that Burke stuck with Wilson far longer than he should have?

Because that's what's implied here.

 

[Rebel_1812]

I think it's important to keep in mind that it wasn't too long ago that Howson was getting torn apart for asking for way too much for Nash. What was he asking for? Two good young roster players, two high level prospects and a first round pick. What did he get? Two good young roster players, one high level prospect and a first round pick.

That is what people are disputing.  The players involved were 2nd line guy, a 3rd line guy and a top for dman.  It would be like if the leafs offered MacArthur, Army or Bozak, Hozer or percy and a 1st round pick.  This deal will go down like the Joe Thorton trade to SJ.

 

[hockeyfan1]

I never doubted that Nash would go to the Rangers in spite of all the posturing by Howson and Slats (each side not wanting to give in or give up much).  Afterall, don't all aging superstars end up in a Blueshirts jersey?!

Nash will give them the big forward depth that they need, especially at playoff time.  Nash will be a good fit for their roster.

 

[Kin]

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

Much in the same way you could argue that Cheerios are a better breakfast cereal than a big bowl of dirt.

Depends on if you're a worm or not.

Beautifully put.

 

[Kin]

That is what people are disputing.  The players involved were 2nd line guy, a 3rd line guy and a top for dman.  It would be like if the leafs offered MacArthur, Army or Bozak, Hozer or percy and a 1st round pick.

That's embarrassing in it's simplicity. That would like me saying that Tyler Bozak is the equivalent of Steven Stamkos because they're both first line centres. When teams trade for a player they evaluate the individuals strengths and weaknesses, they don't just look at their position on a depth chart.

Colby Armstrong is a third liner by virtue of the fact that he's not very good. Artem Anisimov is 24, scores at a good clip and is a third liner because the Rangers actually have good players in their top 6. If you think that they'd be seen as the same by any team in a prospective trade you really need to give your head a shake.

 

[Corn Flake]

Was it so long ago that Slats was a laughingstock, over the hill, etc.?  After a bunch of pretty crappy years he has re-emerged as a highly effective GM -- arguably one of the best in the game right now.

You could also argue that his recent body of work kick's Burke's ass.

Except maybe Burke is going through the laughingstock years much like Sather did, as you suggested? So comparing one in the midst of fixing the mess vs. the other who has come out the other side by a few years now may not really be fair?

Well, Sather made his messy bed over many years and is now redeeming himself.  Burke is the one who tried to shortcut it rather than rebuild so I don't think a comparison of their recent work is at all unfair.

I"m comparing mistakes Sather made early on to mistakes Burke made early on.  Not Sather today to Burke today. One is bearing the fruit of many mistakes and YEARS of painful growth. The latter is in the middle of the ugly years somewhere.

 

[Corn Flake]

So you are predicting that we will start making the playoffs this year?

And you agree that Burke stuck with Wilson far longer than he should have?

Because that's what's implied here.

No I'm not predicting that at all.  I think it will happen but that is my feeling, not a prediction based on the parallels.  You can't take the comparison as a literal roadmap, but I think it serves as a bit of a guide.

The Leafs are somewhere right in the midst of the ugliest part of building a team. The Rangers are well past it.  You keep trying to compare Sather's moves today to Burke's today which makes no sense. Its like comparing how a teacher of a grade 2 class gets his kids to solve math problems vs. a grade 12 teacher.  Sather has a contending team and a stable of prospects both of which were built over the last 12 years.  Burke is in year 4.  How is it fair to compare?

 

 

[Kin]

Sather has a contending team and a stable of prospects both of which were built over the last 12 years.  Burke is in year 4.  How is it fair to compare?

Because he's comparing their recent moves. Regardless of what stages a team is at or how much lead time a GM has a good trade is a good trade. Neither Sather or Burke were raw rookies when they were hired and there's no compelling reason to give them a couple of years on the job as a trial run while they try to get a handle on the ins and outs of running a hockey team. 

 

[Corn Flake]

Sather has a contending team and a stable of prospects both of which were built over the last 12 years.  Burke is in year 4.  How is it fair to compare?

Because he's comparing their recent moves. Regardless of what stages a team is at or how much lead time a GM has a good trade is a good trade. Neither Sather or Burke were raw rookies when they were hired and there's no compelling reason to give them a couple of years on the job as a trial run while they try to get a handle on the ins and outs of running a hockey team.

That really isn't what is happening but ok, call it what you want.