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Rick Nash to NYR

skippy said:
Nik? said:
Goodness gracious. Whatever will I do in the face of these withering insults from you mean, mean girls.

Just don't become righteous and boring.

Ah, you know girl judges, sh*t stains are almost impossible to discern from f*rack stains, you know, the thing that lets them know they're alive.
 
Anisimov could be eventually very good part of the deal from Columbus perspective. His icetime will be most likely significantly increased and he could end up being 20+G 30+A guy. Dubinski is not useless either and could with more icetime be 20+G 30+A guy again, too. Erixon will help Jackets as well, no doubt about it.
I mean, sure, they lost the face of the franchise, but those peices they got back are not as bad as many here indicated. They are not pieces to build around, but they are definately solid contributors (I for one would love to have Dubinsky on the Leafs roster). And you never know, Dubinsky may thrive in Columbus, if given the leadership role.
 
Nik? said:
Rebel_1812 said:
That is what people are disputing.  The players involved were 2nd line guy, a 3rd line guy and a top for dman.  It would be like if the leafs offered MacArthur, Army or Bozak, Hozer or percy and a 1st round pick.

That's embarrassing in it's simplicity. That would like me saying that Tyler Bozak is the equivalent of Steven Stamkos because they're both first line centres. When teams trade for a player they evaluate the individuals strengths and weaknesses, they don't just look at their position on a depth chart.

Colby Armstrong is a third liner by virtue of the fact that he's not very good. Artem Anisimov is 24, scores at a good clip and is a third liner because the Rangers actually have good players in their top 6. If you think that they'd be seen as the same by any team in a prospective trade you really need to give your head a shake.

If you think any of those players has star potential your the one that needs to give your head a shake; and don't stop shaking it until the contrarian trait falls out of your ears.
 
Rebel_1812 said:
If you think any of those players has star potential your the one that needs to give your head a shake;

I didn't say they did. I said they're good young players and that's largely indisputable.

Expecting Columbus to come out of this was future stars was never particularly realistic.
 
skippy said:
And please don't start getting the last word in every conversation. It would shatter my world.

I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the irony here is intentional.
 
Given the circumstances, I think it was a decent trade. I do generally subscribe to the "team who gets the best player wins the deal" so I'll give an edge to the Rangers. I really don't think Howson had much else of choice than this trade.
 
Nik? said:
Rebel_1812 said:
If you think any of those players has star potential your the one that needs to give your head a shake;

I didn't say they did. I said they're good young players and that's largely indisputable.

Expecting Columbus to come out of this was future stars was never particularly realistic.

Hell they got a star player for Jeff Carter.  You'd think they could at least get about the same return for Rick Nash.  It was entirely realistic to assume they would get a star player in return. 
 
Rebel_1812 said:
Nik? said:
Rebel_1812 said:
If you think any of those players has star potential your the one that needs to give your head a shake;

I didn't say they did. I said they're good young players and that's largely indisputable.

Expecting Columbus to come out of this was future stars was never particularly realistic.

Hell they got a star player for Jeff Carter.  You'd think they could at least get about the same return for Rick Nash.   It was entirely realistic to assume they would get a star player in return.

They got a better return for Nash than they did for Carter
 
Rebel_1812 said:
Hell they got a star player for Jeff Carter.  You'd think they could at least get about the same return for Rick Nash.  It was entirely realistic to assume they would get a star player in return.

Carter didn't have any movement restriction to work around or a cap hit that's close to $8M per. And, Jack Johnson is hardly a star. He's a quality offensive defenceman with pretty significant defensive issues, but he's also known to be a potential locker-room issue and a bit of a head case.
 
Rebel_1812 said:
Hell they got a star player for Jeff Carter.  You'd think they could at least get about the same return for Rick Nash.  It was entirely realistic to assume they would get a star player in return.

Jack Johnson? By what measure is Jack Johnson a star? He's never made an all-star game or won an award or made an end of year all-star team. His best season to date is a 12 goal, 38 point season while being notably terrible defensively. How is he a star when Dubinsky isn't?
 
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