bustaheims
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Sabres @ Leafs - Nov. 16th, 7:00pm - CBC, TSN 1050
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GhostofPotvin29
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bustaheims said:
;D
That looked real nice, even if it deflected.
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azzurri63 said:
Wilson's teams were getting better, and neither the end of his time, they weren't this consistently bad with it. I mean, they weren't great, obviously, but they also had less talent. They'd get hemmed in for stretches, but it didn't feel like they were getting hemmed in for entire periods against teams as bad as the Sabres.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
That's because they are. They're winning because they're getting elite level goaltending, timely scoring and quality special teams (which are run by the Cronin and Gordon). It's hard to point to anything that Carlyle is doing that's helping them win.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I legitimately believe the team played better overall hockey under Wilson than it has under Carlyle. The teams he had, looking back on it, were so incredibly average combined with awful goaltending.
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bustaheims said:
It's going to suck if we waste this goaltending we are getting.
MetalRaven
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Can someone please explain why im supposed to like Ranger...cause I cant see any reason
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Potvin29 said:
You know I can't agree with that. It's a matter of principle.
And I'm sorry I called you an idiot last night in the GDT. You're not an idiot. All of us know that.
Ha, it's all good, neither are you. It gets a little excitable sometimes.
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Potvin29 said:Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:Potvin29 said:
You know I can't agree with that. It's a matter of principle.
And I'm sorry I called you an idiot last night in the GDT. You're not an idiot. All of us know that.
Ha, it's all good, neither are you. It gets a little excitable sometimes.
Yeah, family spat.
I was a wee bit PISSED OFF last nite.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
No, that's a little easier. The defensive system he has them playing isn't working. They're collapsing far down low, and that's making it more difficult for them to get the puck out, because the short passes to move it out aren't available - they're forced to either skate the puck out, which is difficult when the other team has a good forecheck going, or shoot it out, which leads to a lot of turnovers. When they do get the puck, the separation between the forwards and the defence is too excessive - again, taking away the short passes, forcing a lot of long passes and cross ice passes that lead to turnovers. Basically, the system he has them playing is turnover city. Part of it is the guys on the ice, but, his system makes it so much worse than it needs to be.
Basically, the Leafs' puck possession issue boil down to 3 things - issues with face-offs, a ton of turnovers and not winning enough puck battles. A lot of the blame for the latter two lies on Carlyle and his system.
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bustaheims said:
Very good analysis. But weren't they playing the same system last year? Somehow the puck support was better.
And, perhaps, collapsing so much has helped the goaltenders? So maybe RC is thinking he's got the horses in goal to play that way? Maybe he looked at Reimer's improved rebound control from working on it over the summer, and knew Bernier already had it, and figured he'd just lean more on them? It must be something like that.
EDIT: Your added point about puck battles is a good one too. It seems like we are losing them more this year so far.
It also neutralizes their speed. It's only really an advantage when the other team screws up. They're limiting their offence to mistakes made by the other team. They're rarely generating anything on their own. The don't force errors. With the kind of offence they have they shouldn't be waiting for opportunities. They should be creating them. They're a crappy defensive team so I don't understand why Carlyle insists on jamming square pegs into round holes.
Carlyle is just stubborn. He won't adapt his coaching style to the team he has. He's trying to make them adapt to him.
Carlyle is just stubborn. He won't adapt his coaching style to the team he has. He's trying to make them adapt to him.
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Last season, the Leafs really used their speed to their advantage. They were in hard on the forecheck. They were more aggressive defensively. They weren't giving the other team as much time to get things done. That's changed this season.
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I think the goalies would benefit most by not having to face as many shots as they have been. There's nothing wrong with collapsing, but, the way the Leafs are doing it this season, they often have all 5 guys down below the face-off dots. That's not helping them minimize the time in the defensive zone, which is a big part of what playing defence is supposed to be about. They need options to get the puck out of the zone, and with the way they're collapsing, they're not providing them for themselves.
Collapsing is desperation. They don't need it. Their goalies are good. If anything collapsing has put more stress on the goalies because they now face more zone time, and the longer you're hemmed in your own end, the higher the quality of chances.
If the Leafs played a more offensive game, they'd spend less time in their own end, which would naturally reduce the number of chances against, making them a better defensive team.
Or, what Busta said.
If the Leafs played a more offensive game, they'd spend less time in their own end, which would naturally reduce the number of chances against, making them a better defensive team.
Or, what Busta said.