Schenn's Next deal

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

How does it go? A third of the team loves the coach, a third hates him and a third are in between?

I'm sure Schenn isn't the only one. Komisarek is probably not far behind him. And others. But it's pretty normal. And for those guys, who can say Wilson didn't have some sort of a decent case with their consistency?

I'm not super interested in beating up on a guy after he's been fired but I reason I wouldn't be inclined to brush this off with "well, all coaches have guys who don't like them" is that Schenn was a very, very important prospect. Maybe the most important prospect the Leafs had drafted in 20 years. A lot of the team's hopes were packaged around building him into the cornerstone of the defense.

The fact that Schenn's progress hasn't been what we'd all have hoped can't be entirely put at Wilson's feet but getting through to Schenn and developing him was one of the most important tasks Wilson had in his time at coach. The fact that he was unable to get Schenn to where we'd all want is definitely one of the reasons he's not here any more.

Dunno how much I buy that. I heard people in the media praise Wilson's work with Schenn when he was good in his rookie season and last year. The guy yo-yos because he is very young. It's expected.

He was good in his rookie season cause Wilson hadn't polluted him yet.

Polluted him with what? Telling him to pinch at the worst time when he has no offensive game to speak of? Miss the puck when trying to pass?

 

[Damian]

Without footspeed, you need better positioning and awareness ... that CAN be taught, but wasnt... clearly

 

[bustaheims]

One thng no coach can really teach Luke is foot speed. Somethign he lacks big time. But they can possibly help him compensate for it

It can't be taught, but, with proper training and working on his skating, it can improve. He'll probably never be a high-end speed guy, but, he can definitely improve on where he's at and, combined with improved positioning, he can become much more effective.

 

[Corn Flake]

One thng no coach can really teach Luke is foot speed. Somethign he lacks big time. But they can possibly help him compensate for it

It can't be taught, but, with proper training and working on his skating, it can improve. He'll probably never be a high-end speed guy, but, he can definitely improve on where he's at and, combined with improved positioning, he can become much more effective.

I think it is his positioning that is the bigger deal, and that he doesn't have the footspeed to make up for any errors.  At least positioning can be taught.

 

[hockeyfan1]

How does it go? A third of the team loves the coach, a third hates him and a third are in between?

I'm sure Schenn isn't the only one. Komisarek is probably not far behind him. And others. But it's pretty normal. And for those guys, who can say Wilson didn't have some sort of a decent case with their consistency?

I'm not super interested in beating up on a guy after he's been fired but I reason I wouldn't be inclined to brush this off with "well, all coaches have guys who don't like them" is that Schenn was a very, very important prospect. Maybe the most important prospect the Leafs had drafted in 20 years. A lot of the team's hopes were packaged around building him into the cornerstone of the defense.

The fact that Schenn's progress hasn't been what we'd all have hoped can't be entirely put at Wilson's feet but getting through to Schenn and developing him was one of the most important tasks Wilson had in his time at coach. The fact that he was unable to get Schenn to where we'd all want is definitely one of the reasons he's not here any more.

Dunno how much I buy that. I heard people in the media praise Wilson's work with Schenn when he was good in his rookie season and last year. The guy yo-yos because he is very young. It's expected.

In Schenn's rookie year, Burke and Wilson shielded Schenn from the pressures of the media (of playing with the Leafs), plus he was paired with seasoned Kaberle as his defensive partner.

(Burke never fully agreed that Schenn should have stayed with the big club so soon, so fast.  He obviously thought that Schenn could use more seasoning before making the Leafs roster).

After his 1st and part of the 2nd year, Schenn was no longer 'protected' nor guided by either Wilson or Burke, and had to make his own decisions on ice, something that soured after Kaberle was traded.  It seems that ever since then, coupled with his not seeing eye-to-eye with Wilson anymore, led to a deterioration in his (defensive) play.

We'll have to wait and see if under Carlyle, Schenn has room for improvement.

 

[pnjunction]

I think it is his positioning that is the bigger deal, and that he doesn't have the footspeed to make up for any errors.  At least positioning can be taught.

It's not like foot speed can't improve with effort and training.  There are tons of stories of guys going to school with figure skaters or whoever to learn how to skate faster.  I think it's a bit shameful that Schenn seems to only get slower every year, or maybe it just looks that way because his positioning got so bad.

 

[proteus2000]

Schenn's confidence has obviously gone downhill, as he makes way too many mistakes with and without the puck to be considered a solid dman, instead of a liability. He just looks like he has so much doubt all the time and in his hesitation he does something irresponsible with the puck or makes the wrong decision in his positioning.

I hope Carlyle and the new assistants can shore this up, as there is no point in really trading him anymore as his stock has dropped...He has years to improve, and the Leafs could REALLY use what he was suppose to offer.

 

[princedpw]

When I get disappointed with Schenn (not an infrequent occurrence this year), I think back to the period prior to when kabby was traded and he and. Schenn were partners.  At that time I believe I recall Schenn and kabby being the teams most reliable pair, both offensively and defensively.  This gives me hope that Schenn can get his mojo back and, in a few years, if paired with the right guy, can be part of a very competent 2nd defensive pairing that will do the team proud.

 

[groundskeeper willie]

When I get disappointed with Schenn (not an infrequent occurrence this year), I think back to the period prior to when kabby was traded and he and. Schenn were partners.  At that time I believe I recall Schenn and kabby being the teams most reliable pair, both offensively and defensively.  This gives me hope that Schenn can get his mojo back and, in a few years, if paired with the right guy, can be part of a very competent 2nd defensive pairing that will do the team proud.

Reminds me of Jason Smith. It was Mathieu Schneider that he played with and they were the teams top dmen. Then Schnieder got traded and Smith struggled (granted also under a new coach - Quinn) before getting traded at his lowest point. He went on to have a pretty good career.

 

[showmethemoneyman]

Schenn has beefed up quite a bit since his rookie year , it?s muscle not fat , but I think both he and Komisarek would benefit from playing at a lighter weight. I think Gary Roberts said something to that effect also. I think though both of them will be more effective under Carlyle?s system than under Wilson?s system