sens vs. Maple Leafs - Dec. 7th, 7:00pm - TSN4, Fan 590

[Arn]

We all saw Woll getting injured coming right?

Well, his play was one of the bright spots on the season, so in terms of Leafs fans never really being allowed to have nice things for an extended period of time, yeah, it would have been near the top of the list.

 

[Bullfrog]

We all saw Woll getting injured coming right?

Of course.
I'm expecting Willy to be decapitated any day now.

 

[cw]

We all saw Woll getting injured coming right?

NHL/AHL games played in
2020-21 15
2021-22 19
2022-23 28

He has had some history of injuries - some games lost to Covid in there

 

[cabber24]

I got that familiar "Leafy" feeling this morning after watching Woll go down... not great.

 

[azzurri63]

Team is truly cursed with the Woll injury. I think he's done for the season or most of it. Having said that I'm not impressed with their play and lineup and my honest believe is that this team is not as good as their record shows. They've been fortunate to pull out a lot of these victories. I understand we have some injuries but the lineup when fully healthy doesn't install a lot of confidence in me. Trade rumours are exactly that but names being bantered around that we may be interested in aren't going to turn the needle and change my view with this bunch. When is the last time we've actually had a a #1 D man and a proven goalie? Paying 3-4 forwards a major portion of your cap doesn't seem to be working. It's great when they are producing but when they aren't it's tough to win. Oilers are the same D and net minders are an issue and reason they are where they are. As much as I don't care for the Oilers a lot of their losses they've been the better team outshooting opponents badly but not scoring and the D and goalies have cost them. Our forwards have been inconsistent as well. Marner, Matthews have been mediocre this year but we've managed to pull out a lot of wins like last night when we haven't been the better team. As much as some will say we are winning what is there to complain about the team needs a shift in direction. Barring a major trade I see us finishing in 3rd place again or even worse a wild card spot and yes anything can happen in the playoffs but I'm not expecting anything different.

 

[ZBBM]

Timmins has kind of completely sucked so far, yes?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Timmins has kind of completely sucked so far, yes?

Highest CF%, GF%, and xGF% among defencemen on the team. Now it's worth noting the Leafs under Keefe have had a history of having their bottom pairing defencemen generally crush their minutes in those categories so surely there's some deployment bonuses that they often get but with all the injuries on D it's probably a little tougher for Keefe to soften his minutes than usual.

1 point in 6 games is certainly not great though, especially after he scored at a 45-point pace last season. And at the end of the day we need someone like Timmins to produce considering the lack of offence from anyone but Rielly on the blue line right now. But considering the on-ice results I'd say "sucks" feels a little harsh.

 

[Highlander]

We all saw Woll getting injured coming right?

He was so athletic all night and then something innocuous happens. Strange play and injury.

 

[herman]

Timmins doesn't suck in his curated minutes (see CtB stats); he just looks bad at times when the puck fumbles off his stick in transition, and occasionally missed pass in the DZ. He's still catching up with the play at times, as getting injured on the tail end of training camp means you don't see real game speed, but he didn't forget how to hockey. He's just calibrating and getting the legs going again.

 

[ZBBM]

Well, I see lots of tentative play and no scoring, but sure, he's still trying to get up and running.  But if he isn't adding offense I'd rather see Benoit and Lagesson in there ... based on their good play/small sample size.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Well, I see lots of tentative play and no scoring, but sure, he's still trying to get up and running.  But if he isn't adding offense I'd rather see Benoit and Lagesson in there ... based on their good play/small sample size.

I somewhat do agree with that. Bottom pairing defencemen on our teams need to do more than just crush their comfy sheltered minutes since that seems like the bare minimum for them. If they aren't adding another aspect like being able to help close out games defensively, play a penalty killing role, or put up additional offence at 5-on-5 or on the PP then their spots on the team shouldn't be locked in. I obviously think Timmins definitely has the potential for the offence part as we saw last season so hopefully we can see some of that again soon.

I'm not 100% sure I'd play both Benoit and Lagesson over him at some point despite them being impressive in their call-ups, but his spot in the line-up later in the season when (*fingers crossed*) our D is finally healthy and Treliving acquires some help would be in jeopardy if he isn't producing.

 

[cw]

Timmins has kind of completely sucked so far, yes?

Highest CF%, GF%, and xGF% among defencemen on the team. Now it's worth noting the Leafs under Keefe have had a history of having their bottom pairing defencemen generally crush their minutes in those categories so surely there's some deployment bonuses that they often get but with all the injuries on D it's probably a little tougher for Keefe to soften his minutes than usual.

1 point in 6 games is certainly not great though, especially after he scored at a 45-point pace last season. And at the end of the day we need someone like Timmins to produce considering the lack of offence from anyone but Rielly on the blue line right now. But considering the on-ice results I'd say "sucks" feels a little harsh.

He's been on the ice for 3 GA in the 6 games he's played.

One was a turnover that had little to do with him. He was positioned ok, etc and did not cause the turnover.
Another was when Norris got behind his partner for a break. Timmins had his man in the middle. Maybe he's not entirely innocent but I think the majority of blame was elsewhere.
The third was a puck battle that wasn't over but he might have been winning or could have won when Lagesson came in and knocked the puck away from Timmins to a Chicago player at the side of the net who smacked it into the net.

I didn't see blatantly bad defensive play by Timmins that caused a goal in his first 6 games.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Timmins has kind of completely sucked so far, yes?

Highest CF%, GF%, and xGF% among defencemen on the team. Now it's worth noting the Leafs under Keefe have had a history of having their bottom pairing defencemen generally crush their minutes in those categories so surely there's some deployment bonuses that they often get but with all the injuries on D it's probably a little tougher for Keefe to soften his minutes than usual.

1 point in 6 games is certainly not great though, especially after he scored at a 45-point pace last season. And at the end of the day we need someone like Timmins to produce considering the lack of offence from anyone but Rielly on the blue line right now. But considering the on-ice results I'd say "sucks" feels a little harsh.

He's been on the ice for 3 GA in the 6 games he's played.

One was a turnover that had little to do with him. He was positioned ok, etc and did not cause the turnover.
Another was when Norris got behind his partner for a break. Timmins had his man in the middle. Maybe he's not entirely innocent but I think the majority of blame was elsewhere.
The third was a puck battle that wasn't over but he might have been winning or could have won when Lagesson came in and knocked the puck away from Timmins to a Chicago player at the side of the net who smacked it into the net.

I didn't see blatantly bad defensive play by Timmins that caused a goal in his first 6 games.

Norris is more on him...he was the only D man on the ice, penalty was over and he didn't get out when Norris blew the zone...he needs to leave.
He's had some bad moments that haven't resulted in goals against. I still believe he's still trying to get up to speed after being off so long. Overall he's been busy fine.

 

[cw]

Timmins has kind of completely sucked so far, yes?

Highest CF%, GF%, and xGF% among defencemen on the team. Now it's worth noting the Leafs under Keefe have had a history of having their bottom pairing defencemen generally crush their minutes in those categories so surely there's some deployment bonuses that they often get but with all the injuries on D it's probably a little tougher for Keefe to soften his minutes than usual.

1 point in 6 games is certainly not great though, especially after he scored at a 45-point pace last season. And at the end of the day we need someone like Timmins to produce considering the lack of offence from anyone but Rielly on the blue line right now. But considering the on-ice results I'd say "sucks" feels a little harsh.

He's been on the ice for 3 GA in the 6 games he's played.

One was a turnover that had little to do with him. He was positioned ok, etc and did not cause the turnover.
Another was when Norris got behind his partner for a break. Timmins had his man in the middle. Maybe he's not entirely innocent but I think the majority of blame was elsewhere.
The third was a puck battle that wasn't over but he might have been winning or could have won when Lagesson came in and knocked the puck away from Timmins to a Chicago player at the side of the net who smacked it into the net.

I didn't see blatantly bad defensive play by Timmins that caused a goal in his first 6 games.

Norris is more on him...he was the only D man on the ice, penalty was over and he didn't get out when Norris blew the zone...he needs to leave.
He's had some bad moments that haven't resulted in goals against. I still believe he's still trying to get up to speed after being off so long. Overall he's been busy fine.

Norris didn't blow the zone. Norris hopped on at the end of the PK somewhat behind them.
Timmins was the Leaf furthest back. He had a man. Someone else should have been back with Timmins. The MIA Leaf that should have been back with Timmins bears a bunch of responsibility in my opinion. Between the two, Timmins was in the better position though Norris snuck on and got behind both of them.

 

[Frank E]

Well, I see lots of tentative play and no scoring, but sure, he's still trying to get up and running.  But if he isn't adding offense I'd rather see Benoit and Lagesson in there ... based on their good play/small sample size.

I somewhat do agree with that. Bottom pairing defencemen on our teams need to do more than just crush their comfy sheltered minutes since that seems like the bare minimum for them. If they aren't adding another aspect like being able to help close out games defensively, play a penalty killing role, or put up additional offence at 5-on-5 or on the PP then their spots on the team shouldn't be locked in. I obviously think Timmins definitely has the potential for the offence part as we saw last season so hopefully we can see some of that again soon.

I'm not 100% sure I'd play both Benoit and Lagesson over him at some point despite them being impressive in their call-ups, but his spot in the line-up later in the season when (*fingers crossed*) our D is finally healthy and Treliving acquires some help would be in jeopardy if he isn't producing.

Timmins hasn't been good, but I think they know that and they're hoping he'll develop his skillset...my fear is his decision making doesn't look good, and good decision making with the idea of developing the skill to be able to execute on that is what you look to do with ice time...I just don't see the IQ that they think he has...yet.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Timmins has kind of completely sucked so far, yes?

Highest CF%, GF%, and xGF% among defencemen on the team. Now it's worth noting the Leafs under Keefe have had a history of having their bottom pairing defencemen generally crush their minutes in those categories so surely there's some deployment bonuses that they often get but with all the injuries on D it's probably a little tougher for Keefe to soften his minutes than usual.

1 point in 6 games is certainly not great though, especially after he scored at a 45-point pace last season. And at the end of the day we need someone like Timmins to produce considering the lack of offence from anyone but Rielly on the blue line right now. But considering the on-ice results I'd say "sucks" feels a little harsh.

He's been on the ice for 3 GA in the 6 games he's played.

One was a turnover that had little to do with him. He was positioned ok, etc and did not cause the turnover.
Another was when Norris got behind his partner for a break. Timmins had his man in the middle. Maybe he's not entirely innocent but I think the majority of blame was elsewhere.
The third was a puck battle that wasn't over but he might have been winning or could have won when Lagesson came in and knocked the puck away from Timmins to a Chicago player at the side of the net who smacked it into the net.

I didn't see blatantly bad defensive play by Timmins that caused a goal in his first 6 games.

Norris is more on him...he was the only D man on the ice, penalty was over and he didn't get out when Norris blew the zone...he needs to leave.
He's had some bad moments that haven't resulted in goals against. I still believe he's still trying to get up to speed after being off so long. Overall he's been busy fine.

Norris didn't blow the zone. Norris hopped on at the end of the PK somewhat behind them.
Timmins was the Leaf furthest back. He had a man. Someone else should have been back with Timmins. The MIA Leaf that should have been back with Timmins bears a bunch of responsibility in my opinion. Between the two, Timmins was in the better position though Norris snuck on and got behind both of them.

I suggest you watch the highlights again..Norris was down by the goal line. Puck went to the point, Leafs took a shot, got blocked by Chychrun and Norris was long gone. Timmins being the offside and only D man needs to get out.

 

[cw]

Timmins has kind of completely sucked so far, yes?

Highest CF%, GF%, and xGF% among defencemen on the team. Now it's worth noting the Leafs under Keefe have had a history of having their bottom pairing defencemen generally crush their minutes in those categories so surely there's some deployment bonuses that they often get but with all the injuries on D it's probably a little tougher for Keefe to soften his minutes than usual.

1 point in 6 games is certainly not great though, especially after he scored at a 45-point pace last season. And at the end of the day we need someone like Timmins to produce considering the lack of offence from anyone but Rielly on the blue line right now. But considering the on-ice results I'd say "sucks" feels a little harsh.

He's been on the ice for 3 GA in the 6 games he's played.

One was a turnover that had little to do with him. He was positioned ok, etc and did not cause the turnover.
Another was when Norris got behind his partner for a break. Timmins had his man in the middle. Maybe he's not entirely innocent but I think the majority of blame was elsewhere.
The third was a puck battle that wasn't over but he might have been winning or could have won when Lagesson came in and knocked the puck away from Timmins to a Chicago player at the side of the net who smacked it into the net.

I didn't see blatantly bad defensive play by Timmins that caused a goal in his first 6 games.

Norris is more on him...he was the only D man on the ice, penalty was over and he didn't get out when Norris blew the zone...he needs to leave.
He's had some bad moments that haven't resulted in goals against. I still believe he's still trying to get up to speed after being off so long. Overall he's been busy fine.

Norris didn't blow the zone. Norris hopped on at the end of the PK somewhat behind them.
Timmins was the Leaf furthest back. He had a man. Someone else should have been back with Timmins. The MIA Leaf that should have been back with Timmins bears a bunch of responsibility in my opinion. Between the two, Timmins was in the better position though Norris snuck on and got behind both of them.

I suggest you watch the highlights again..Norris was down by the goal line. Puck went to the point, Leafs took a shot, got blocked by Chychrun and Norris was long gone. Timmins being the offside and only D man needs to get out.

Looks like I confused him with another Sens player.
However, Timmins has the left point when they're in the o-zone.
After another Leaf, Domi, on the right boards, gives the puck to the Senators by throwing the puck towards the net, Timmins immediately starts to retreat.
Timmins should not leave before while the Leafs still possessed the puck.
There are two Leafs on the right side - Domi & Knies - the side of the ice Norris came up. Domi had the right point responsibility as Knies was coming back from the Sens net. For whatever reason, Domi let Norris go by him and did not pursue. Norris was not Timmins' man. Timmins, who skated back immediately after puck possession was given up had good position on Grieg coming up the center of the ice. Timmins should have had help from someone on the right side - whoever it was that let Norris go - seems to be Domi.

I fault Domi more than Timmins. He turned the puck over. He let Norris go by him. Then he didn't make much of an effort to skate back to defend.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

Domi and Bertuzzi should be getting the goat horns.  Absolute atrocious hockey players. 

Brad's zero for four on all his signings.  Domi and Bertuzzi have been awful, Reaves is self explanatory and Klingberg is damaged goods. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

Domi and Bertuzzi should be getting the goat horns.  Absolute atrocious hockey players. 

Brad's zero for four on all his signings.  Domi and Bertuzzi have been awful, Reaves is self explanatory and Klingberg is damaged goods. 

Fair point but they're not atrocious. Just not worth the 8.5M he paid for them. Domi has been the better deal at 3M and he has helped solidify the 3rd line which was terrible before he went to 3C. Expect more from Bert but we'll see how both do in the playoffs, that's when we want them to shine.

Gregor, Lagesson, Benoit have been good!