The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[Chev-boyar-sky]

I wonder what will happen if the sharks miss the playoffs....they were supposed to be a contender going into the season.  if they fail, I would have to think that would be an epic disappoinment for that franchise...they could be primed shake to things up

A lot of good players on that roster (Big centers especially)...should they decide move some people out.

I could see that happening to SJ maybe.

But the problem is that if they do decide that it's time to shake things up, they'll probably try to move one of their big name vets in exchange for either young NHL players with upside, or prospects that are NHL ready.

That makes it a tough situation for TO because SJ will probably ask for guys like Gardiner, Kadri, Colborne, Schenn, Gunnarsson etc.

Judging form recent history, they've tended to move Roster player for roster player.

Neither Havlat or Burns are players equivalent to any of the players mentioned above.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but it doesn't seem like SJ are in a rebuild mindframe. They'd most likely decide certain players aren't getting the job done and move them for equivalent pieces.

Pavelski for Krejci or something like that.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Jaroslav Halak. 

Wudja? I think the Blues might move him and give the keys to Elliot.  I don't think he's a miracle savior or anything but he would bring some stability and is young enough to hold on to for a long time if he truly pans out.

I doubt they do that at this juncture. My guess is they'll wait to see if Elliott can continue this level of play into next season before making any move with Halak, unless they're blown away by an offer. Also, Halak has been getting the larger share of the starts recently.

Yeah, it doesn't seem like they're all that interested in moving him. And if/when they are, I don't think we have what they're looking for (number 1 centre, top-4 left-handed defenceman).

My trade is:

Phaneuf and Gustavsson for Stewart and Halak.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm of the belief the Blues will be going into next season with the same two goaltenders.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

My trade is:

Phaneuf and Gustavsson for Stewart and Halak.

With his impending UFA status, Gus pretty much has 0 trade value. Even signed he isn't exactly very appealing.

If I was St. Louis I wouldn't even do Phaneuf for Halak straight up, personally. When I said they needed a left-handed defencemen, I meant to add that he needed to know how to play defence. And while I appreciate Phaneuf for what he is, that's definitely not his specialty. And he plays on his off-side, which is already occupied by Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk in St. Louis' top-4. A guy like Ryan Suter would be a perfect fit for them, although you could probably say that about any team in the league.

 

[Tigger]

***The dream deadline fire sale***

My god.. look at what was the makeup of that team and we wonder why this rebuild thing is taking so long?  There was almost nothing there. NOTHING!

It was pretty dismal, tough thing to keep in mind sometimes.

 

[Britishbulldog]

My trade is:

Phaneuf and Gustavsson for Stewart and Halak.

With his impending UFA status, Gus pretty much has 0 trade value. Even signed he isn't exactly very appealing.

If I was St. Louis I wouldn't even do Phaneuf for Halak straight up, personally. When I said they needed a left-handed defencemen, I meant to add that he needed to know how to play defence. And while I appreciate Phaneuf for what he is, that's definitely not his specialty. And he plays on his off-side, which is already occupied by Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk in St. Louis' top-4. A guy like Ryan Suter would be a perfect fit for them, although you could probably say that about any team in the league.

 

[louisstamos]

I would still revisit that Schenn for Stewart trade.  If there's anything that can be added to pry Halak out of there, even better!

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm not against trading Schenn but to be honest, I'm intrigued by what Carlyle might be able to do with him... Same with Phaneuf for that matter.

 

[Corn Flake]

I'm not against trading Schenn but to be honest, I'm intrigued by what Carlyle might be able to do with him... Same with Phaneuf for that matter.

I think they could/will move Schenn due to his value and think/hope/believe they can turn Komisarek back into an NHL d-man, with Holzer as the next young guy to step in. And I don't know how I feel about that.

I also wonder if Franson is done as well.  He should have quite high value.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think they could/will move Schenn due to his value and think/hope/believe they can turn Komisarek back into an NHL d-man, with Holzer as the next young guy to step in. And I don't know how I feel about that.

I also wonder if Franson is done as well.  He should have quite high value.

I forgot to mention Komisarek. He's in the collection of guys who could benefit from Carlyle's coaching too. 

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

I think they could/will move Schenn due to his value and think/hope/believe they can turn Komisarek back into an NHL d-man, with Holzer as the next young guy to step in. And I don't know how I feel about that.

I also wonder if Franson is done as well.  He should have quite high value.

I forgot to mention Komisarek. He's in the collection of guys who could benefit from Carlyle's coaching frontal lobotomy too.

I have fixed that for you.

 

[Corn Flake]

I think they could/will move Schenn due to his value and think/hope/believe they can turn Komisarek back into an NHL d-man, with Holzer as the next young guy to step in. And I don't know how I feel about that.

I also wonder if Franson is done as well.  He should have quite high value.

I forgot to mention Komisarek. He's in the collection of guys who could benefit from Carlyle's coaching too.

I think its possible.  Maybe an outside chance, but Carlyle's system is one where Komi's limitations could be hidden as much as humanly possible.  His Mtl years were under Carboneau and one under Julien - both highly defensive systems. 

You never know, but at this stage I think a trade is unlikely and a buyout just ain't happening.

 

[Frank E]

I think they could/will move Schenn due to his value and think/hope/believe they can turn Komisarek back into an NHL d-man, with Holzer as the next young guy to step in. And I don't know how I feel about that.

I also wonder if Franson is done as well.  He should have quite high value.

I forgot to mention Komisarek. He's in the collection of guys who could benefit from Carlyle's coaching too.

I'd like to think so, but I'm not counting on it.

Now I didn't see the Saturday night game, but I saw the NJ game.

Good Lord, was he brutal.  I mean there were two goals that were a direct result of his decision making on coverage.  His decision making and positioning was so bad, I just couldn't believe it.

He's just not good enough, and I have a feeling they may be forced to bury him next year.  Have we really ever seen good solid play from this guy since he's been a Leaf?

 

[maplesyrup]

Have we really ever seen good solid play from this guy since he's been a Leaf?

Not really. No. 

 

[pnjunction]

Good Lord, was he brutal.  I mean there were two goals that were a direct result of his decision making on coverage.  His decision making and positioning was so bad, I just couldn't believe it.

I couldn't believe the play where he followed the other Leaf d-man behind the net with just one opposing player, leading to the inevitable man open in front.  Can this guy not count to 5 or what?

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Good Lord, was he brutal.  I mean there were two goals that were a direct result of his decision making on coverage.  His decision making and positioning was so bad, I just couldn't believe it.

I couldn't believe the play where he followed the other Leaf d-man behind the net with just one opposing player, leading to the inevitable man open in front.  Can this guy not count to 5 or what?

And he has a No Movement Clause so you can't even send him to minors.

 

[cw]

Dmen +/- since Carlyle arrived:
Phaneuf          1
Liles              1
Franson          1  (only 3 GP, a 4th for a few seconds)
Gardiner        -1
Scheen          -4
Gunnarsson    -8
Komisarek    -10

Not that it's the most accurate stat but Komisarek isn't doing much via that stat to impress the new coach (nor the rest of us observing his play for much of the past three seasons).

Finger's contract is off the books this year. They can buy Komi out for $1.5 mil per year over the next four years.

They could pay a #6 dman $1.5 mil/yr and it wouldn't cost MLSE a dime more than it would keeping Komisarek on the roster. And darn near the only place that #6 performance could go is up.

If Burke spent $2.5 mil on that spot, you'd think he could find someone that can contribute more. And even then, he'd have half a mil more cap space.

With Komisarek floundering under a new coach (who had been giving him #5 dman ice time = a chance), it's approaching a no brainer to buy him out.

He's 7th in dman +/- with -13 and was 7th in that stat last season.

 

[maplesyrup]

Okay cw, you sold me. Off with his head!

 

[Britishbulldog]

How about Komisarek and Connolly for Mike Richards??  Richards is DYING on the Kings.  I think he only has 2 goals in the last 29 games if TSN is correct.

Is Mike done??  Can he rebound??

 

[Britishbulldog]

How about Komisarek and Connolly for Mike Richards??  Richards is DYING on the Kings.  I think he only has 2 goals in the last 29 games if TSN is correct.

Is Mike done??  Can he rebound??

Actually I was hoping to trade Connolly back to NYI for Matt Martin and a pick...

...I will have to substitute Colby Armstrong to LA with Komisarek for Mike Richards.