The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[Bender]

Berger suggests (I think he's just speculating but who knows) that Columbus wants the Leafs' first pick this year plus Gardiner and Kadri for Nash.

No dice in my mind but curious what others think?

Iin such a case Columbus can enjoy that nice fat contract of Rick Nash

I might do it if they take connolly to offset some of the salary but it ultimately depends where the pick ends up.

in other words it would be waaaaaaayyyyyyy easier to trade #6-8 than #2-4 in my opinion.

Rick Nash is one of the most overrated players in the game. I'd stay far, far away from him.

 

[Britishbulldog]

Berger suggests (I think he's just speculating but who knows) that Columbus wants the Leafs' first pick this year plus Gardiner and Kadri for Nash.

No dice in my mind but curious what others think?

Rick Nash is one of the most overrated players in the game. I'd stay far, far away from him.

Looking at Nash's 6 years left at $7.8 average and Zach Parise's skill set you would almost think it makes as much sense to offer the same to Zach without giving up any assets.  Zach is making $6 MIL this year so basically anything between $6 Mil and $7.8 MIL should almost work.

Zach is smaller but is the same age and has better offensive numbers.

I don't know if Kulemin and Malkin were friends or just line mates but after the air plane crash that caused Kulemin to lose a close friend I might look to re-unite them and include Bozak for J Staal.  Ofcourse knowing that Crosby and Armstrong are friends and seeing how Frattin seems ready to replace Armstrong's contributions I would prefer to see Armstrong heading back to Pittsburgh with Bozak instead of Kulemin but I don't know how bad Armstrong's value has been hurt since coming to Toronto.  Armstrong did get a RFA contract of $2.4 MIL so he was worth something at some point...

I would also be interested in giving Phaneuf a new start somewhere else...like St Louis.  Include a top 6 player like MacArthur with Phaneuf and try to get Stewart and Halak.

 

[Corn Flake]

Berger suggests (I think he's just speculating but who knows) that Columbus wants the Leafs' first pick this year plus Gardiner and Kadri for Nash.

No dice in my mind but curious what others think?

Iin such a case Columbus can enjoy that nice fat contract of Rick Nash

I might do it if they take connolly to offset some of the salary but it ultimately depends where the pick ends up.

in other words it would be waaaaaaayyyyyyy easier to trade #6-8 than #2-4 in my opinion.

Rick Nash is one of the most overrated players in the game. I'd stay far, far away from him.

If this is the price for Nash, then I would go to Lou Lam and offer him Kadri for the rights to Parise, then sign Parise to whatever the hell he wants. 

Pay 1/3 the cost of getting Nash and probably similar money over the same term.  And get the better player.  You don't get the physical attributes but you get everything else in spades. 

 

[maplesyrup]

I've been pumping up Nash for a while but I really do like the cut of your jib there, Corn.

 

[Tigger]

If this is the price for Nash, then I would go to Lou Lam and offer him Kadri for the rights to Parise, then sign Parise to whatever the hell he wants. 

It goes without saying you'd have to be iron clad certain that he would sign in Toronto to do that?

If you were that certain, why wouldn't you just wait until July 1?

 

[maplesyrup]

I think the idea Tig, is that we're not iron clad. - That's why you obtain his negotiating rights.

 

[Tigger]

I think the idea Tig, is that we're not iron clad. - That's why you obtain his negotiating rights.

In that case it seems like an awful lot for what might turn out to be nothing.

 

[maplesyrup]

I think the idea Tig, is that we're not iron clad. - That's why you obtain his negotiating rights.

In that case it seems like an awful lot for what might turn out to be nothing.

It does but if it becomes known that he won't re-sing in NJ and his rights are put on the market in the 11th hour, the offers could get kind of whacky - and rightfully so I think.

 

[bustaheims]

It does but if it becomes known that he won't re-sing in NJ and his rights are put on the market in the 11th hour, the offers could get kind of whacky - and rightfully so I think.

They won't get that whacky. I mean, without a guarantee that he'll sign with the team that acquires his rights, even at the whackiest, the Devils are looking at draft picks in return, not players/top prospects.

 

[Tigger]

I think the idea Tig, is that we're not iron clad. - That's why you obtain his negotiating rights.

In that case it seems like an awful lot for what might turn out to be nothing.

It does but if it becomes known that he won't re-sing in NJ and his rights are put on the market in the 11th hour, the offers could get kind of whacky - and rightfully so I think.

I don't think the Leafs need to partake in that kind of whacky. Sign them, sure, trade much for an ufa player? For some other team looking for a final piece maybe but not for Toronto, even then like Busta said it shouldn't cost that much.

 

[maplesyrup]

It does but if it becomes known that he won't re-sing in NJ and his rights are put on the market in the 11th hour, the offers could get kind of whacky - and rightfully so I think.

They won't get that whacky. I mean, without a guarantee that he'll sign with the team that acquires his rights, even at the whackiest, the Devils are looking at draft picks in return, not players/top prospects.

Maybe not. I'm not specifically saying Kadri is what it's going to take. I'm just saying that I make a great offer.

 

[Kin]

I don't think Parise should be seen as a viable alternative to Rick Nash. It's a no brainer that if Parise is willing to sign here that it'd be better to sign him and not surrender a ton of assets. Making the kind of whacky offer that you'd need to land Nash would be the option if, as reported by some, Parise has no interest in coming to Toronto.

 

[pnjunction]

  Frattin seems ready to replace Armstrong's contributions

I don't know does he have a twitter account? Do the Jays players like him?

 

[Tigger]

  Frattin seems ready to replace Armstrong's contributions

I don't know does he have a twitter account? Do the Jays players like him?

...putting the 'Frat' in team unit...

 

[Corn Flake]

If this is the price for Nash, then I would go to Lou Lam and offer him Kadri for the rights to Parise, then sign Parise to whatever the hell he wants. 

It goes without saying you'd have to be iron clad certain that he would sign in Toronto to do that?

If you were that certain, why wouldn't you just wait until July 1?

Preemptive move, like the Flyers and other pro-active teams have done before. Need to be aggressive if you want a player badly enough and get a shot at signing them before anyone else does.  I think teams have a pretty good idea before going into something like that where they stand with their chances of signing a player.

 

[Tigger]

If this is the price for Nash, then I would go to Lou Lam and offer him Kadri for the rights to Parise, then sign Parise to whatever the hell he wants. 

It goes without saying you'd have to be iron clad certain that he would sign in Toronto to do that?

If you were that certain, why wouldn't you just wait until July 1?

Preemptive move, like the Flyers and other pro-active teams have done before. Need to be aggressive if you want a player badly enough and get a shot at signing them before anyone else does.  I think teams have a pretty good idea before going into something like that where they stand with their chances of signing a player.

Still, the first the Flyers traded was the 23rd spot, not the second overall pick (JVR) and that was for both Timonen and Hartnell. Fwiw it was also the pick they got from Nashville for Forsberg.

If the Leafs were certain they could sign Parise I'm not sure why it would cost Kadri? Something, maybe, but that seems steep.

 

[maplesyrup]

Actually, is the 23rd overall pick that far off from what Kadri's value is right now? I don't think it's galaxies apart.

 

[Tigger]

Actually, is the 23rd overall pick that far off from what Kadri's value is right now? I don't think it's galaxies apart.

The 23rd pick this year, probably, but it's also for two players.

 

[bustaheims]

Actually, is the 23rd overall pick that far off from what Kadri's value is right now? I don't think it's galaxies apart.

Trade value? Maybe not, but, in terms of value to the team? Absolutely. The pick the Flyers sent back to Nashville for the rights to Timmonen and Hartnell was much less valuable to them than Kadri is to the Leafs, and the same could be said of that same pick this year - I know I'd much rather have Kadri than the 23rd overall pick going into this draft.

 

[maplesyrup]

Yeah, but would you rather Kadri or the rights to Parise? - Assuming of course you had a feeling you stood a decent chance of signing him.