The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[bustaheims]

Yeah, but would you rather Kadri or the rights to Parise? - Assuming of course you had a feeling you stood a decent chance of signing him.

Kadri. I'd need much more than a decent chance to give up the team's top prospect - and I'm talking like 99.9% certainty.  A big part of the reason the Flyer gave Nashville that pick back was because they had already been given permission to negotiate with Hartnell and Timmonen and all but had them under contract already.

 

[maplesyrup]

See, I think I'd take a far less conservative approach this summer.

 

[bustaheims]

See, I think I'd take a far less conservative approach this summer.

Sure, but the approach you're espousing right now is borderline reckless, and that's the last thing the Leafs need to be right now. Throwing away high-end prospects like Kadri on maybes is unlikely to get this team moving forward.

 

[maplesyrup]

See, I think I'd take a far less conservative approach this summer.

Sure, but the approach you're espousing right now is borderline reckless, and that's the last thing the Leafs need to be right now. Throwing away high-end prospects like Kadri on maybes is unlikely to get this team moving forward.

Well, that's twice now this week we've differed on this kind of thing... I say nothing ventured, nothing gained - you've said nothing lost. I don't think either of us wrong... Just different.

 

[maplesyrup]

Combining Corn's and my thoughts;

Out; Gardiner, 1st round pick (5-10), Kadri.
In; Schneider, 1st round pick (25-30), the rights to Parise.

I'm sorry but I'd just have to do this if possible. 

 

[bustaheims]

Well, that's twice now this week we've differed on this kind of thing... I say nothing ventured, nothing gained - you've said nothing lost. I don't think either of us wrong... Just different.

Sure, and, to be clear, I'm against the team taking risks this summer, I just feel they need to be much more calculated risks than those you've proposed. For instance, instead of blowing their wad on Schneider like you've suggested, I'd be more open to spending less on someone like Bernier or Neuvirth/Holtby (whichever Washington isn't going to try to build around) or even someone like Steve Mason. In terms of Parise, if he was coming with a similar scenario to Timonen and Hartnell (as in, the only thing preventing the contract from being signed and filed is the trade hasn't been processed), then, sure, move Kadri for him, but, short of that . . . I'd be willing to take the risk on waiting until July 1st for him (though, to be honest, I don't think he'd sign with the Leafs either way).

 

[Kin]

Yeah, but would you rather Kadri or the rights to Parise? - Assuming of course you had a feeling you stood a decent chance of signing him.

Assuming the team isn't going to tamper with Parise where is this feeling supposed to come from?

 

[maplesyrup]

Assuming the team isn't going to tamper with Parise where is this feeling supposed to come from?

How about the fact that he hasn't said he wouldn't consider Toronto. Or, do you believe the rumours?

 

[bustaheims]

How about the fact that he hasn't said he wouldn't consider Toronto. Or, do you believe the rumours?

That's a really thin straw to hang your hopes on, you know.

Really, feels a lot like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA[/youtube]

 

[Kin]

How about the fact that he hasn't said he wouldn't consider Toronto. Or, do you believe the rumours?

I haven't looked into them. But either way you didn't answer the question. Aside from contacting Parise or his agent how is someone supposed to get a sense of someone's likelihood to sign?

 

[Deebo]

Assuming the team isn't going to tamper with Parise where is this feeling supposed to come from?

How about the fact that he hasn't said he wouldn't consider Toronto. Or, do you believe the rumours?

I kind of get where you are coming from with Schenieder, but this one just seems foolhardy.

Giving up a top prospect on the hope that a UFA will sign with you a couple weeks before July 1 instead of testing free agency because he hasn't said in public that he wouldn't consider Toronto.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Combining Corn's and my thoughts;

Out; Gardiner, 1st round pick (5-10), Kadri.
In; Schneider, 1st round pick (25-30), the rights to Parise.

I'm sorry but I'd just have to do this if possible.

So we move our top defensive and offensive prospects and a potential franchise prospect that's very cost effective for the next 5 years for a goalie that's #1b on the best team in the league, a middling 1st rounder and an outside chance at a player that can hold us over a barrel for 8-10M?

It's very possible that Schneider gets exposed a la Toskala on a weak defensive team like ours, Parise walks, or signs for way too much (thus restricting us from building further), and we've traded a good chunk of our youth for the 23rd overall.

The problem with this team isn't necessarily that it's too young (Kadri, Gardiner, 5th overall), it's that it's overpriced and underperformed (Komi, Armstrong, Lombardi, Phaneuf).

This trade doesn't really address the fundamental problem with the roster, and yet trades the tools we have that are cost effective, young and potentially elite talents for older what will be overpriced ones (what we already have).

Count me out.

 

[maplesyrup]

How about the fact that he hasn't said he wouldn't consider Toronto. Or, do you believe the rumours?

I haven't looked into them. But either way you didn't answer the question. Aside from contacting Parise or his agent how is someone supposed to get a sense of someone's likelihood to sign?

Well, what if you found out the way you normally might like you say, through his agent or your goalies Grandmother or whatever... I'm not certain "tampering" to some extent doesn't happen on a regular basis. 

 

[maplesyrup]

That's a really thin straw to hang your hopes on, you know.

Really, feels a lot like this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA[/youtube]

You really think there's zero chance, eh? 

 

[maplesyrup]

I kind of get where you are coming from with Schenieder, but this one just seems foolhardy.

Giving up a top prospect on the hope that a UFA will sign with you a couple weeks before July 1 instead of testing free agency because he hasn't said in public that he wouldn't consider Toronto.

Like I said, I'd consider it if I knew we for certain weren't out. Obviously, I'd want to gather as much intel as I could.

 

[Kin]

Well, what if you found out the way you normally might like you say, through his agent or your goalies Grandmother or whatever... I'm not certain "tampering" to some extent doesn't happen on a regular basis.

Contacting a player's agent to discuss their interest in signing with you while still under contract is basically the definition of tampering. So, again, assuming they aren't tampering, where is the feeling going to come from?

 

[maplesyrup]

Nik, it could come from virtually anywhere. Honestly man. 

 

[Tigger]

Nik, it could come from virtually anywhere. Honestly man.

You won't know until you get permission to talk with the agent. Past that the only thing I've 'heard' that gives me pause was Lou saying Parise wasn't going anywhere.

 

[maplesyrup]

Combining Corn's and my thoughts;

Out; Gardiner, 1st round pick (5-10), Kadri.
In; Schneider, 1st round pick (25-30), the rights to Parise.

I'm sorry but I'd just have to do this if possible.

So we move our top defensive and offensive prospects and a potential franchise prospect that's very cost effective for the next 5 years for a goalie that's #1b on the best team in the league, a middling 1st rounder and an outside chance at a player that can hold us over a barrel for 8-10M?

It's very possible that Schneider gets exposed a la Toskala on a weak defensive team like ours, Parise walks, or signs for way too much (thus restricting us from building further), and we've traded a good chunk of our youth for the 23rd overall.

The problem with this team isn't necessarily that it's too young (Kadri, Gardiner, 5th overall), it's that it's overpriced and underperformed (Komi, Armstrong, Lombardi, Phaneuf).

This trade doesn't really address the fundamental problem with the roster, and yet trades the tools we have that are cost effective, young and potentially elite talents for older what will be overpriced ones (what we already have).

Count me out.

Well, if all this happened, Mac and Reimer probably become available and I think you could spin them off for help in the areas you think need to be addressed. 

 

[Kin]

Nik, it could come from virtually anywhere. Honestly man.

Yeah, clearly I'm off the map on this one.