#1PilarFan
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It's probably safe to say that if Burke could get Staal for any of the prices listed above, he would have done it by now.
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LuncheonMeat
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#1PilarFan said:
Not necessarily. Staal is closing in on the end of his contract, and a big raise. That may be the difference between available or not.
maplesyrup
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Trades can be made the day after the last game of the cup final (whenever that is) correct?
maplesyrup
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Deebo said:
I thought thought the Bruins Cap deal was okay because it was a minor league deal. I was trying to figure out what made today's deal okay. - Apparently nothing (or everything.) So technically, this rumoured Luongo deal could happen today?
Corn Flake
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Sarge said:
I think the rule goes that you can make trades any time after the deadline but that player could not play for your team in the post season. So for teams not in the post season, that is a non-issue.
maplesyrup
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Corn Flake said:
Ah. Makes sense.
BlueWhiteBlood
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Here's my wish list for October's starting line-up. I realize this most likely won't happen, but it is theoretically possible that it could if all the stars align.
Top Line-> Zack Parise-Jordan Staal-Phil Kessel
Shutdown Line-> Nikolai Kulemin-Mikhail Grabovski-Joffrey Lupul
Scoring Line-> Nazem Kadri-Tyler Bozak-Matt Frattin
Energy Line-> Leo Komarov-Dave Steckel-Mike Brown
Need to Trade: Matthew Lombardi (may have to keep), Tim Connolly, Colby Armstrong, Clarke McArthur (has value)
1st Pairing: Carl Gunnarsson Dion Phaneuf
2nd Pairing: JM Liles Cody Franson
3rd Pairing: Jake Gardner Justin Schultz (legit possibility)
Spare: Korbinian Holzer
Need to Trade: Mike Komisarek (salary dump, maybe in a deal for Luongo), Luke Schenn (recoup assets or in a deal to get Staal or another top center)
Luongo (could be had for the right deal)
Reimer
Scrivens
Trade one of Reimer or Scrivens, and note: Only trading one of those goalies if Luongo is the one we get this summer, otherwise, run 3 for a time next season.
Parise is a total wildcard, as he may have an idea of where he wants to go already, but it's nice to think that there is a possibility that Toronto is seen as close to competing with his help and a quality center.
I believe Burke has to land his center, whether that is in the draft, or through a significant trade for a Jordan Staal, who has been rumoured to want the limelight of top center role, Getzlaf, rumoured to maybe be available in Anaheim or a high trade up at the draft to land a guy like Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Yakupov.
Burke could also have an option to move Kadri for an upgrade in size and defensive specialty at the 3rd line left wing position, but that is up to Kadri I would think, he needs to get stronger. Maybe a bigger deal to Pittsburgh;
Schenn, Kadri, Armstrong and a 2nd 2013 to Pittsburgh for Staal and Tangradi?
I think getting a center before free agency would go a long way to increasing whatever chance Burke has of landing Parise. Even landing Luongo, if the deal is right, would make Toronto look pretty appealing to somebody like Parise.
There is the possibility also of the Leafs being a frontrunner for Shultz, who by some accounts can play with and wants to play with Gardner.
There has been plenty of Luongo talk, so I'll leave that out, besides, we all know what our equally high priority is, that of a veteran goalie to help out. All and all, I think this line up will probably not look like this, but it also does have the slight chance to work out.
If Burke could pull something like this off, it would give us one heck of a chance to go somewhere into June of 2013 IMO. He would have to do a lot of that trade jockeying that he loves so much, especially in the salary dump department, as there are a few players that would have to go and they are not easy to move.
This is my fantasy I guess.
Top Line-> Zack Parise-Jordan Staal-Phil Kessel
Shutdown Line-> Nikolai Kulemin-Mikhail Grabovski-Joffrey Lupul
Scoring Line-> Nazem Kadri-Tyler Bozak-Matt Frattin
Energy Line-> Leo Komarov-Dave Steckel-Mike Brown
Need to Trade: Matthew Lombardi (may have to keep), Tim Connolly, Colby Armstrong, Clarke McArthur (has value)
1st Pairing: Carl Gunnarsson Dion Phaneuf
2nd Pairing: JM Liles Cody Franson
3rd Pairing: Jake Gardner Justin Schultz (legit possibility)
Spare: Korbinian Holzer
Need to Trade: Mike Komisarek (salary dump, maybe in a deal for Luongo), Luke Schenn (recoup assets or in a deal to get Staal or another top center)
Luongo (could be had for the right deal)
Reimer
Scrivens
Trade one of Reimer or Scrivens, and note: Only trading one of those goalies if Luongo is the one we get this summer, otherwise, run 3 for a time next season.
Parise is a total wildcard, as he may have an idea of where he wants to go already, but it's nice to think that there is a possibility that Toronto is seen as close to competing with his help and a quality center.
I believe Burke has to land his center, whether that is in the draft, or through a significant trade for a Jordan Staal, who has been rumoured to want the limelight of top center role, Getzlaf, rumoured to maybe be available in Anaheim or a high trade up at the draft to land a guy like Galchenyuk, Grigorenko or Yakupov.
Burke could also have an option to move Kadri for an upgrade in size and defensive specialty at the 3rd line left wing position, but that is up to Kadri I would think, he needs to get stronger. Maybe a bigger deal to Pittsburgh;
Schenn, Kadri, Armstrong and a 2nd 2013 to Pittsburgh for Staal and Tangradi?
I think getting a center before free agency would go a long way to increasing whatever chance Burke has of landing Parise. Even landing Luongo, if the deal is right, would make Toronto look pretty appealing to somebody like Parise.
There is the possibility also of the Leafs being a frontrunner for Shultz, who by some accounts can play with and wants to play with Gardner.
There has been plenty of Luongo talk, so I'll leave that out, besides, we all know what our equally high priority is, that of a veteran goalie to help out. All and all, I think this line up will probably not look like this, but it also does have the slight chance to work out.
If Burke could pull something like this off, it would give us one heck of a chance to go somewhere into June of 2013 IMO. He would have to do a lot of that trade jockeying that he loves so much, especially in the salary dump department, as there are a few players that would have to go and they are not easy to move.
This is my fantasy I guess.
maplesyrup
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Not bad at all. Knowing now that Colborne was hurt for much of the year, I'm wondering what the drop-off (if any) would be from Bozak to Colborne in that 3rd line spot (assuming that Bozak is destined for the 3rd line.) I'm in no hurry to move Bozak but he's another guy that has value and could be part of a deal if Colborne can step in.
Edit: Or maybe Colborne is the guy you deal...
Edit: Or maybe Colborne is the guy you deal...
BlueWhiteBlood
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Sarge said:
I think if anything is ringing true for me right now, is that Burke has the assets to start shuffling the deck a bit. There are a few ways that the above line up could change this summer, as I said, landing Staal and or Getzlaf is a major coup and low probability, depending on what Anaheim or Pittsburgh want to do with their line ups.
We will have a whole new crop of youngsters in our hopper after the draft, most notably, whoever they pick up in that 5 slot. I would even consider moving that pick, if we got Jordan Staal back in the deal, but probably not for anyone else. To me, it's like the Sundin deal, you're getting a young player that is already producing in the NHL and could be around for years to come. Couple that with Luongo in net and I think we would have a very good team.
maplesyrup
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If a couple of the guys Burke really wanted @5 is gone and there was a player Pittsburgh really liked there (presumably a defenceman) I suppose I could be convinced to include the pick in a deal for Staal.
Edit: I just think that #5 is an attractive pick because outside of Murray perhaps, it gives you the pick of the litter of the defencemen.
Edit: I just think that #5 is an attractive pick because outside of Murray perhaps, it gives you the pick of the litter of the defencemen.
BlueWhiteBlood
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Sarge said:
Right, I mean, technically, we're looking for a center with his pedigree. He'll only be 24 in September, we landed Sundin when he was 23, no? For Clark, who was a number one pick and fan favorite, so why not? Staal is better than any of those prospects IMO, simply because we already know what we're getting in Staal.
maplesyrup
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Do you feel the same way about the pick and Duchene? Worth the gamble or forget it? Personally, I'd send a flotilla of doctors down the Colorado to check him out but if I got the thumbs up, I'd do it.
BlueWhiteBlood
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Sarge said:
I don't think I would do it for Duschene, but like you said, you'd have to be pretty sure of his health and whether or not he would bounce back. His age is right though, same premise.
Corn Flake
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BlueWhiteBlood said:
Certainly adding Parise, Staal, and Luongo is a substantial boost of top end talent to the lineup. Is your approach that the 2nd line is effectively the 3rd line (checking) but based on ice time sits as the #2? I'm not so sure if that works but I guess it could. That 3rd line will probably get a size upgrade up the middle. At least I hope it does.
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Corn Flake said:
Yeah that and he's the only center that can pull it off.
Yeah it's a work in progress, it opens up some options by moving some assets to acquire players that may be available. It would definitely give us a team that has a good chance of doing some damage.
I'm not sure Burke could pull it all off, but I'd have my money on him before a lot of the GM's in the league. I think Toronto is primed for this kind of overhaul and maybe we have the assets to do just that.
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BlueWhiteBlood said:
Well, Staal can too although he isn't being brought in to focus on that like he did in Pitt. So your top two lines in theory can play some shutdown game too.
BlueWhiteBlood said:
And he did sound fairly resolved to take that type of approach when he talked about it in his season ending presser.... it was just so overshadowed by all the freaking out that it went a bit unnoticed.