The Official 2011/2012 Armchair GM thread

[bustaheims]

Well sure... but I doubt not being able to recognize talent at the amateur level is the key one. There's also likely a good reason the brain trust at TSN employ him almost entirely for his commentary on amateur scouting too.

See, I think it is. Truly talented scouts are hard to find, and if any team in the league felt the Button was talented enough to contribute to their organization, they would have made strong pitches to hire him.

As for TSN bringing him in, this is a network that also considers Steve Simmons to be among their hockey experts for major events. They have Button around because he's a name people know. There's a reason his mock drafts are fairly far from how things actually work out.

 

[maplesyrup]

Mock drafts.  :

 

[Etiam Vultus]

McKenzie saying the writing may beon the wall for the Ducks and Shultz... they may need to think about trading his rights. He believes next to Parise and Suter, Shultz might be the most sought after FA. So, with that said, just what exactly are his rights worth?

Schultz is going to be limited in the amount of money that he can make in his first contract.  He will be looking for an option that will get him through to his next contract ASAP, when there are fewer restrictions on how much he can make.  He had two option:

1)  sign a three-year entry level contact with Anaheim prior to the end of their season and play a few games to burn one year, thus making him an RFA after the 2013-14 season; or

b)  sign a two-year entry level contract with the team of his choice AFTER  he turns 23 on July 6, 2012, thus also making him an RFA after the 2013-14 season. 

The difference in total compensation (salary and signing bonus) under both options was not significant, so it really boiled down to whether or not Schultz wanted to play for Anaheim. 

If he signs anytime from now until July 6 (when he  turns 23), he would still have to sign a three-year entry contract and not become an RFA until a year later, 2014-15.  It makes no sense for him to do that.

Schultz can begin negotiations with all teams effective June 1 of this year, but he will not sign until he turns 23.  I do not see why a team would give up anything for his rights at this point.

 

[#1PilarFan]

Edit: A couple of names mentioned;  Lehtinen, Morrow, Langenbrunner... There were many others mentioned.

Okay, so, like 20 years ago, he wasn't an incompetent boob - or, at least, worked with a group of scouts that weren't incompetent boobs. Today, there's likely a good reason he's a part-time analyst for TSN instead of being employed by an NHL team.

You may be doing Mr. Button a disservice. Not that I think he's great or anything, but scouts don't make a ton of money and have to travel constantly, staying in budget hotels and eating fast food. Button may actually make more than a scout on TSN and certainly has a much better schedule. Especially if he wants to stay in one place to be near his family. The life of a scout is very tedious and not for everyone.

 

[bustaheims]

b)  sign a two-year entry level contract with the team of his choice AFTER  he turns 23 on July 6, 2012, thus also making him an RFA after the 2013-14 season. 

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Schultz can begin negotiations with all teams effective June 1 of this year,

Both of these statements are not true. Justin will only be turning 22 this summer, and he would have only been able to sign a 2 year ELC after his NCAA season ended, regardless of the date which he signed (Age before September 15th of the calendar year in which the contract is signed is what determines age for Entry Level Contracts). Also, the Ducks have a 30 day exclusive negotiating period that began when Schultz officially left his NCAA team earlier this week.

 

[Redleaf]

Get this Schultz kid in a Leafs uni Burke!!

 

[Etiam Vultus]

b)  sign a two-year entry level contract with the team of his choice AFTER  he turns 23 on July 6, 2012, thus also making him an RFA after the 2013-14 season. 

<snip>

Schultz can begin negotiations with all teams effective June 1 of this year,

Both of these statements are not true. Justin will only be turning 22 this summer, and he would have only been able to sign a 2 year ELC after his NCAA season ended, regardless of the date which he signed (Age before September 15th of the calendar year in which the contract is signed is what determines age for Entry Level Contracts). Also, the Ducks have a 30 day exclusive negotiating period that began when Schultz officially left his NCAA team earlier this week.

I stand corrected.  Thanks for the clarification, Sarge.  Now I understand why a team would trade for his rights.

 

[bustaheims]

I should also point out that, while Schultz will be free to negotiate with other teams at around the same time as the draft, he can't sign with anyone other than Anaheim (or whatever team acquires his rights if they are traded) before July 1st.

 

[GhostofPotvin29]

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2012/5/26/3045122/schultz-watch-update-ducks-preparing-tampering-charges

 

[bustaheims]

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2012/5/26/3045122/schultz-watch-update-ducks-preparing-tampering-charges

The thing that might sink the Ducks' tampering case if Schultz lands in Toronto would be that Gardiner talking to him (of his free will and accord) does not constitute tampering. Unless they have proof someone a team's front office or coaching staff approached Schultz or indicated they were interested in him, it's a he said, she said situation, and, well, those tend to not go the way of the plaintiff.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2012/5/26/3045122/schultz-watch-update-ducks-preparing-tampering-charges

The thing that might sink the Ducks' tampering case if Schultz lands in Toronto would be that Gardiner talking to him (of his free will and accord) does not constitute tampering. Unless they have proof someone a team's front office or coaching staff approached Schultz or indicated they were interested in him, it's a he said, she said situation, and, well, those tend to not go the way of the plaintiff.

Not if Dudley rats us out.

 

[bustaheims]

Not if Dudley rats us out.

Man, Dudley just keeps screwing us over.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Not if Dudley rats us out.

Man, Dudley just keeps screwing us over.

I'm gonna be so mad when Montreal picks <insert player here>. That's totally the guy Burke wanted!

 

[L K]

http://www.buckys5thquarter.com/2012/5/26/3045122/schultz-watch-update-ducks-preparing-tampering-charges

The thing that might sink the Ducks' tampering case if Schultz lands in Toronto would be that Gardiner talking to him (of his free will and accord) does not constitute tampering. Unless they have proof someone a team's front office or coaching staff approached Schultz or indicated they were interested in him, it's a he said, she said situation, and, well, those tend to not go the way of the plaintiff.

Not to mention the hilarity that Michael Russo, beatwriter for the Minnesota Wild is the brilliant mastermind to discover this.  Everyone and their grandmother has made the connection between Gardiner and Schultz. 

Is Carolina tampering because the Staal brothers mentioned they would love to play together some day (when Eric is the only one who is locked up to a long-term deal).

 

[Tigger]

Assuming all permissions granted and knowledge that he's sign, of course.

Yeah, still not a lot to me, Ehrhoff went for a 4th for example.

Should the Leafs offer that 4th rounder they'll be getting from Anaheim in the Lupul deal or is that just too cheeky?

 

[bustaheims]

Should the Leafs offer that 4th rounder they'll be getting from Anaheim in the Lupul deal or is that just too cheeky?

It's a little cheeky, but, if Anaheim doesn't get him signed in their exclusive period, that might be the best offer they'll get.

 

[rdowdall]

Not if Dudley rats us out.

Man, Dudley just keeps screwing us over.

I'm gonna be so mad when Montreal picks <insert player here>. That's totally the guy Burke wanted!

The draft is going to be hilarious:

Dudley:  Is that the guy you want Brian?
Burke:  You know god damned well he is Rick.
Dudley:  Well we're taking him.
Burke:  Do we have to do this every round?

 

[BlueWhiteBlood]

Looks like one of the guys I want for our team is looking for a raise, perhaps a bigger one than expected...

Prust from New York

He might price himself out of Toronto, if he's even an option anyway. It was just one of the players a few of us were mentioning a while back.

 

[Corn Flake]

Looks like one of the guys I want for our team is looking for a raise, perhaps a bigger one than expected...

Prust from New York

He might price himself out of Toronto, if he's even an option anyway. It was just one of the players a few of us were mentioning a while back.

He can go elsewhere then. The Leafs absolutely can no longer overpay for mid-to-low end players, no matter how good they are at their job.  Contracts for 3rd liners or 3rd pairing d-men shouldn't run in the $2+ mil range, and we right now have a bunch of them.  the 3rd and 4th line should be filled with experienced guys on deals <$1 mil and players on rookie deals.  Only exception would be a centre for the 3rd line with the defensive specialist thing going on. 

Save the money for the top two lines, starting goalie and top defense.

Pass on Prust over $1 mil, and cross your fingers that Brown can stay healthy for once.  Look for other options to provide the sandpaper. 

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Guys like Prust, no matter how good they are, only makes sense if we completely overhaul our bottom-6 (getting rid of 2 or 3 of Lombardi, Armstrong, Connolly). Unless that happens, our bottom-6 will likely look the same.