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Deebo said:Melky Cabrera test positive for PED, 50 games.
There had to be some reason for a 4.8 bWAR.
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Deebo said:Melky Cabrera test positive for PED, 50 games.
Let's be honest though busta, it's not like they traded some of the best players in the league away. The best player in the deal is Gonzalez and he's having a pretty mediocre season for a 1B. Crawford is a huge anchor and Beckett has been an absolute knob in Boston is the last few seasons. I wouldn't put it past any of these guys to rebound, but none of them are living up to their reputation or their contract.bustaheims said:From a talent perspective, it's not a great deal for Boston - the return is a non-tender candidate in Loney, a couple pitchers with control issues, one of which is coming off Tommy John surgery (de la Rosa) and a couple older hitters with holes in their swing who project to be bench/utility types. From a financial perspective, it's a great move for them, and it's likely the beginning of a fairly significant overhaul in Bean Town.
L K said:It could make the free agent pitchers market ugly for the Jays too if the Red Sox decide to retool rather than just rebuild. They cleared a massive amount of money and I'm sure they don't want to sit 5th in the AL East next year.
#1PilarFan said:Let's be honest though busta, it's not like they traded some of the best players in the league away. The best player in the deal is Gonzalez and he's having a pretty mediocre season for a 1B. Crawford is a huge anchor and Beckett has been an absolute knob in Boston is the last few seasons. I wouldn't put it past any of these guys to rebound, but none of them are living up to their reputation or their contract.
bustaheims said:Gonzalez was a bad fit for Fenway in terms of HR, as it turns out. He's still having an acceptable season, still putting up decent numbers in just about every offensive category and he's still a very valuable player. Expect an increase in his numbers now that he's back in the NL West.
Beckett was excellent for Boston last season, and, coming into this season, his performance in 2010 looked very much like an aberration. He could (and likely will) rebound nicely in a pitcher friendly park like Dodger Stadium. Crawford is the only real pure albatross in this deal.
#1PilarFan said:Gonzalez's OPS is 100 points higher at Fenway than anywhere else. His numbers are ok, but below average for a 1B and unacceptable for a guy making 21m/year.
Beckett is a talented headcase, and prone to inconsistency on a year to year basis. Also makes almost 16m/year.
bustaheims said:His OPS in Fenway is good, but is HR totals are not. He's a gap to gap power type guy, and, in Fenway, that means a lot of doubles and not so many homers. He's also coming off 4 straight seasons with an OPS+ over 140 and only turned 30 this season, so, let's not let one down season have that much impact on our view of him.
Yep. In 7 years with the Sox, he's had 3 seasons with an ERA over 5.For a guy who is "prone to inconsistency on a year to year basis," Beckett has been surprisingly consistent. Coming into this season, in 4 of the last 5 years, he had an ERA+ of 115 or better, a WHIP of 1.19 or lower, HR/9 of 1.1 or lower and a BB/9 of 2.4 or lower. He also had a K/9 rate of at least 8.2 in all 5 of those seasons. The only recent season in which he struggled, other than this season, was an injury plagued 2010. If by inconsistency, you mean he's generally been good or very good when he's been healthy, then, sure, I guess he's been inconsistent.
#1PilarFan said:Really I don't care about any of the players dealt, but you wondered why the return was lower than you thought it should have been and I offered you an explanation.
#1PilarFan said:Sure A-Gon is great guy and all, but he was traded when his value was terribly low so the return was underwhelming.
#1PilarFan said:I mean we're arguing whether a guy whose ERA+ has ranged from 75 to 150 over seven years is consistent?