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The Unofficial Fire Ron Wilson/Ron Wilson is the Greatest Thread

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Strangelove said:
Tigger said:
crazyperfectdevil said:
he did?
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Yep, I can't recall the original interview source but Friedman quoted it here last year...

Go back to September 2008. Burke was still in Anaheim as Ron Wilson began his first training camp in Toronto. If you asked anyone across the league about the Maple Leafs, they would have told you, ?It will take six-to-eight years.? Even Wilson said once, ?I won?t be the coach when this team is really ready to win.?

Funny, what Elliotte says right before that, as of Jan 11 last year I totally agree with...

"But mentioning the word ?playoffs? anywhere in the same sentence as ?Maple Leafs? this season was an enormous mistake. All it did was create expectation on a team that really didn?t need it. Now, Burke and the organization are labelled a failure because they?re 28th overall.

This is not a failure. It?s exactly where they should be."
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Quite a lot has changed on paper since that training camp, and I don't really see the relevance of bringing it up.  If you really think it's alright for the Leafs to miss the playoffs for 6-8 years just because Wilson may or may not have said something to that effect several years ago, then you set the bar far lower than I'm comfortable with as a fan.  Fact is, the Leafs have failed to improve over Ron's tenure in virtually every aspect of their game, and that shouldn't be acceptable to anyone.
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You have misrepresented or misunderstood most of what I've said or quoted.

First off Wilson definitely said it.

Quite a lot has changed since last year? On paper? Friedman's warning about impatience rings to me here. The relevance I'll get to below.

Neither Friedman nor I said the Leafs should miss the playoffs for 6-8 years, that timeline was about rebuilding the Leafs into a contender.

If you bothered to actually follow the context of what the reply and the quote from Wilson meant, or what relevance it had, it was in reference to firing a coach because of the belief that they won't 'win it all' when the truth is starkly otherwise in most cases, plenty of coaches are hired knowing full well they, in all likelihood, won't be winning it all any time soon.

Fact is I'm on record as saying Wilson gets the Leafs to the playoffs this year or he's done. This would be year 4.

Do the math.
 
Optimus Reimer said:
The word out here from an Ottawa radio station is that Wilson is on very thin ice.
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Well, I know, when I want unbiased, insider information about the Leafs, I turn to the Ottawa media. ::)
 
Busta Reims said:
Optimus Reimer said:
The word out here from an Ottawa radio station is that Wilson is on very thin ice.
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Well, I know, when I want unbiased, insider information about the Leafs, I turn to the Ottawa media. ::)
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I usually don't pay any attention to them, but the guy who said it is a Leaf fan, or he comes across as being one on the station. 

Has there been any chatter about this in Toronto? 
 
Optimus Reimer said:
I usually don't pay any attention to them, but the guy who said it is a Leaf fan, or he comes across as being one on the station. 

Has there been any chatter about this in Toronto?
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So, the info came from a fan that called in? Yikes. I haven't heard anything from any reliable sources about that being true. A lot of fans want to believe it to be so, but, that's about it.
 
Busta Reims said:
Optimus Reimer said:
I usually don't pay any attention to them, but the guy who said it is a Leaf fan, or he comes across as being one on the station. 

Has there been any chatter about this in Toronto?
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So, the info came from a fan that called in? Yikes. I haven't heard anything from any reliable sources about that being true. A lot of fans want to believe it to be so, but, that's about it.
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It came from the radio guy, not a fan, but thanks for clarifying there's no chatter in TO about this.
 
Optimus Reimer said:
It came from the radio guy, not a fan, but thanks for clarifying there's no chatter in TO about this.
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Nothing so concrete, no. I mean, there's speculation, but, there's also speculation they're discussing an extension, so . . .
 
Busta Reims said:
Optimus Reimer said:
It came from the radio guy, not a fan, but thanks for clarifying there's no chatter in TO about this.
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Nothing so concrete, no. I mean, there's speculation, but, there's also speculation they're discussing an extension, so . . .
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I would make a decision within the next 10 games.  The team cannot continue its slump if they want to make the playoffs.  At the same time, the team has had a couple good stretches of playing really great hockey.  If RW is canned, it would give a new coach time to improve things to get the Leafs back in the playoff picture.  If the team turns things around, I would consider an extension.
 
Tigger said:
Strangelove said:
Tigger said:
crazyperfectdevil said:
he did?
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Yep, I can't recall the original interview source but Friedman quoted it here last year...

Go back to September 2008. Burke was still in Anaheim as Ron Wilson began his first training camp in Toronto. If you asked anyone across the league about the Maple Leafs, they would have told you, ?It will take six-to-eight years.? Even Wilson said once, ?I won?t be the coach when this team is really ready to win.?

Funny, what Elliotte says right before that, as of Jan 11 last year I totally agree with...

"But mentioning the word ?playoffs? anywhere in the same sentence as ?Maple Leafs? this season was an enormous mistake. All it did was create expectation on a team that really didn?t need it. Now, Burke and the organization are labelled a failure because they?re 28th overall.

This is not a failure. It?s exactly where they should be."
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Quite a lot has changed on paper since that training camp, and I don't really see the relevance of bringing it up.  If you really think it's alright for the Leafs to miss the playoffs for 6-8 years just because Wilson may or may not have said something to that effect several years ago, then you set the bar far lower than I'm comfortable with as a fan.  Fact is, the Leafs have failed to improve over Ron's tenure in virtually every aspect of their game, and that shouldn't be acceptable to anyone.
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You have misrepresented or misunderstood most of what I've said or quoted.

First off Wilson definitely said it.

Quite a lot has changed since last year? On paper? Friedman's warning about impatience rings to me here. The relevance I'll get to below.

Neither Friedman nor I said the Leafs should miss the playoffs for 6-8 years, that timeline was about rebuilding the Leafs into a contender.

If you bothered to actually follow the context of what the reply and the quote from Wilson meant, or what relevance it had, it was in reference to firing a coach because of the belief that they won't 'win it all' when the truth is starkly otherwise in most cases, plenty of coaches are hired knowing full well they, in all likelihood, won't be winning it all any time soon.

Fact is I'm on record as saying Wilson gets the Leafs to the playoffs this year or he's done. This would be year 4.

Do the math.
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I appreciate the response but I'm still not sure about how exactly, the "warning about impatience", as you put it, fits into the picture.  Of course I agree that we ought to be patient about winning a championship, and that failing to do so is hardly ever, by itself, a good reason to fire the coach.  Fine.  But here the suggestion seems to be something to the effect that the Leafs struggling this year (to whatever extent they have) is "exactly as it should be".  So what's confusing to me, I guess, is that you seem to think that the team's struggles ought to be accepted, while at the same time maintaining that a failure to make the playoffs should end Ron's tenure.

I agree with the latter part, but can't agree with the idea that struggling is acceptable at this point.  If Wilson works the team well out of a playoff spot (say, by 5 points or so), I think he has to be canned right there.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
The downward drift continues.  If I were Wilson, I'd ask -- no, I'd beg -- Santa for an early Xmas gift in the form of a couple of wins.
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Santa is such a good fellow!
 
Strangelove said:
I appreciate the response but I'm still not sure about how exactly, the "warning about impatience", as you put it, fits into the picture.  Of course I agree that we ought to be patient about winning a championship, and that failing to do so is hardly ever, by itself, a good reason to fire the coach.  Fine.  But here the suggestion seems to be something to the effect that the Leafs struggling this year (to whatever extent they have) is "exactly as it should be".  So what's confusing to me, I guess, is that you seem to think that the team's struggles ought to be accepted, while at the same time maintaining that a failure to make the playoffs should end Ron's tenure.

I agree with the latter part, but can't agree with the idea that struggling is acceptable at this point.  If Wilson works the team well out of a playoff spot (say, by 5 points or so), I think he has to be canned right there.
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The notion from my pov about patience comes from discussing the Leafs 'on paper', however I could be imposing/projecting my opinion of the general tone of the Leafs from fickle fans on you somewhat, sorry for that if I am.

As for the rest what I was agreeing with was an opinion expressed last year, that Burke set somewhat unrealistic expectations then, not now.

When the team has struggled, like you say, to the extent they have this year I have really tried to keep it in context from game to game and from a development perspective. I think the Leafs are good enough to battle for a low seed playoff spot this year if they get some goaltending and nothing I've seen so far has changed my opinion.

I also think they won't be contending for another year or two minimum but they're coming along.

I am not suggesting that a continuum of struggles should be accepted this year, not by a long shot, more that struggles shouldn't be blown out of proportion to the point of throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
 
Great looks like Dreger was right and the extension is close.

Why give him an extension BEFORE we make the playoffs?  Couldn't this have waited until say March when things are more clear?
 
Bender said:
Potvin29 said:
coachrw63 Ron Wilson
This Xmas could be better if Santa stuffs a certain piece of paper in my stocking. #whatcouldthatbe
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As much as I don't want to give Wilson an extension yet... I still love this guy! hahaha
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I'd love him even more if the sole purpose of that tweet was to freak out the media, which knowing Wilson is actually somewhat plausible.
 
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