herman said:
This article doesn't even mention Tavares so nobody should click it.
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This article doesn't even mention Tavares so nobody should click it.
https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/964587268341157888
For weeks I've been so terrified that this would happen I didn't even want to bring it up.
For weeks I've been so terrified that this would happen I didn't even want to bring it up.
louisstamos
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CarltonTheBear said:
Oh please, no. His contract is terrible, and really he's not any better than Moore.
bustaheims
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CarltonTheBear said:
Unless it's straight up for Martin . . . and even then, no.
Highlander
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For Roman Polak and a sack of magic beans?herman said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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If they do this it's proof positive that Dubas and his analytics department have become completely isolated and tuned out within the organization.
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I think that's a little hyperbolic, no?
You said yourself the other day that there are variables in these transactions that aren't represented in math.
I have friends in the industry, and they say that math has a lot to do with these sorts of deals, but you're still dealing with group dynamics, personality clashes, attitude issues with negative people, cliques and friends of people that you don't want to offend, etc... And because a lot of these people are very young with a lot of money, some start to not give a damn about what anyone says, and problems can be a result of that. Some are just plain bad employees that don't do as asked, and sometimes you have to remove them for the overall betterment of the group. Some are great employees that help out with the overall result, even if their individual math suggests they only have a marginal impact on a given result.
I don't defer to authority, and I don't usually challenge these sorts of things as a fan because I really don't have the information that influences these decisions outside of math data that we have access to.
I personally think Leivo is good depth, and the team will need him next year when someone inevitably leaves the organization. At this point I don't think the Leafs should do much unless a very good deal comes along. They don't have any glaring weaknesses IMO, and really when the team has just gone 9-1, even beating teams like Tampa Bay, Columbus, and Nashville, should you really change anything?
I hear a lot of flak about Polak, Komarov, and Martin, and while a lot of that is perfectly justified, those guys still play an important role on the team and they are good depth and good pieces to have in the playoffs. Komarov is an elite penalty killer and I don't think he's as bad as everyone says he is. He is a prototypical fourth line player and I have no issue with him playing that role on this team. You've got to have a guy like Martin on the team despite how much the NHL has changed. And Polak, well, of those three guys I like him the least because he's too slow and I find him a defensive liability. So if they get rid of anyone I think it should be him, and perhaps make a deal for an upgrade on defense. But even with that being said, Polak isn't *that* bad, particularly if he's being used as a seventh defenseman.
I hear a lot of flak about Polak, Komarov, and Martin, and while a lot of that is perfectly justified, those guys still play an important role on the team and they are good depth and good pieces to have in the playoffs. Komarov is an elite penalty killer and I don't think he's as bad as everyone says he is. He is a prototypical fourth line player and I have no issue with him playing that role on this team. You've got to have a guy like Martin on the team despite how much the NHL has changed. And Polak, well, of those three guys I like him the least because he's too slow and I find him a defensive liability. So if they get rid of anyone I think it should be him, and perhaps make a deal for an upgrade on defense. But even with that being said, Polak isn't *that* bad, particularly if he's being used as a seventh defenseman.
leafsjunkie
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sickbeast said:
Martin does not deter or stop anything, it's hogwash.
This carries no weight in today's NHL.
Strangelove
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sickbeast said:
So Martin?s presence in the press box will have an impact on whether the other team finishes their check against Matthews?
I know this was a popular line of thinking in the Don Cherry / Bobby Orr years, but I didnt think anyone still thought this way.
herman
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Most teams are no longer carrying sherrifs on their rosters. Usually the player instead is faster and more skilled. Dedicating a roster spot to that type of role player puts the team behind in terms of generating goals (and wins).
Martin is not a dedicated fighter but he can admirably fulfill that role while playing NHL level hockey. Unfortunately for him, we have players like Kapanen who are several factors better than him at hockey and at the end of the day, that matters more to the team?s success.
Martin is not a dedicated fighter but he can admirably fulfill that role while playing NHL level hockey. Unfortunately for him, we have players like Kapanen who are several factors better than him at hockey and at the end of the day, that matters more to the team?s success.