Trade Deadline
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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herman said:
This was reported by "Wings Nation" are they a reputable outlet?
herman
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bustaheims
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herman said:
If this news is at all accurate, Lou is scuttling any potential deal as we speak. News doesn't leak about deals he stays involved in.
LuncheonMeat
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Perhaps the Wings could use Leivo?
Highlander
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There is a Glendening damn up in Thornbury/Clarksburg, hope that is not a sign.
When I last saw him play I liked his game, seems to have a bit more grit than Moore although Moore seems to be a smoother skater.
When I last saw him play I liked his game, seems to have a bit more grit than Moore although Moore seems to be a smoother skater.
azzurri63
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TSN says prices are high for some potential players looking to be moved. I wouldn't give up too much for anybody. Possibly Kapenen at least for Glendening. No thanks. The way Babcock judges players I would leave any trades to Lou & Shanny and leave Babcock out of the final decision. Babcock's judge of personnel is suspect. From a guy who says Gardiner has a high hockey IQ. F me.
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He's left-handed but I still think the Leafs should be checking in on McDonagh. Him with Rielly moving to the right side would give us a legitimate top pairing.
He's left-handed but I still think the Leafs should be checking in on McDonagh. Him with Rielly moving to the right side would give us a legitimate top pairing.
Coco-puffs
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CarltonTheBear said:
Given we would have him for at least another year I'd be willing to entertain this. I don't think we'll be able to solve the RHD this offseason either. All depends on what we'd have to give up. (1st, Brown, prospect?) I'd be ok with that. Just not Kapanen, Dermott, or Liljegren.
McDonaugh - Rielly
Gardiner - Zaitsev/Hainsey
Dermott - Hainsey/Zaitsev
That looks a lot better for the next 1.5 seasons.
EDIT: I still prefer a Tanev deal. I think it will cost less in terms of assets and he's signed for one more year beyond McDonagh and Gardiner.
Coco-puffs said:
I'd prefer to move Brown but I'd be fine with dealing Kapanen in a trade like this. He can't be off the table when you're dealing with a player like McDonagh.
Coco-puffs said:
The talent difference between McDonagh and Tanev is pretty big. I think McDonagh is a legit #1, not Norris-level but still a #1. Tanev is like a really good #3 or #4. And his injury history is very worrisome. I've said before that I'd go after him but he does have warts.
I'm also not sure the required return between the two would be that massive. The Rangers seem motivated to move McDonagh, while the Canucks think Tanev is still a part of whatever future they're trying to build. That makes a big difference when negotiating a trade.
Coco-puffs
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CarltonTheBear said:
Tanev is one of the best shot suppressing d-men in the league. The talent difference you speak of is entirely on the offensive side of the puck and we don't seem to have much issue there among our d-men. I think Tanev is a great compliment to Rielly (who's elite offensively). A much better skating and passing version of Hainsey who has done pretty well for Rielly this year.
I do agree with you that the acquisition cost is what it comes down to. Would I give up a 1st, Kapanen, and a b-level prospect for McDonagh. Yes. But if Tanev is a 1st and a b-level prospect I'd rather keep Kapanen and have Tanev for that extra year. If we trade for McDonagh we are going to lose one of him or Gardiner in 1.5 years. If we trade for Tanev, we might be able to keep Gardiner.
Coco-puffs said:
My plan at that point would be to unload Zaitsev's contract so we could keep those guys around. That would give us this in 2019:
Rielly-McDonagh/Tanev
Gardiner-Liljegren
Dermott-x
Although like you brought up elsewhere, that puts us in a tricky spot come the next expansion draft.
edit: And even if we can't bring back Gardiner, losing him wouldn't be the end of the world with Dermott behind him on the depth chart. Rielly-x, Dermott-Liljegren looks like a solid top-4 long-term if Liljegren develops how we'd like him to and x isn't Zaitsev.
Crazy, somewhat shoot-us-in-the-foot-now type trade:
Trade JvR and Komarov (with retention on one or both) to TB for Sergachev + Foote.
Leafs load up with two good potential dmen for expiring contracts. The obvious drawback being that i strengthens TB and worsens us this year.
Edit: just noticed Sergachev's points... Taking him out of TB's lineup might have more impact than I thought... A dman might need to be going back to make this work... Hainsey?
Edit2: the intention was to give TB the chance to really go for it and take Sergachev and Foote off their hands while they're blinded by the Stanley cup...
Edit3: the obvious problem here being they'd prefer to spend that on Karlsson for 2 years of runs... But my hope is Ottawa says "not enough" or demands they take Ryan.
Trade JvR and Komarov (with retention on one or both) to TB for Sergachev + Foote.
Leafs load up with two good potential dmen for expiring contracts. The obvious drawback being that i strengthens TB and worsens us this year.
Edit: just noticed Sergachev's points... Taking him out of TB's lineup might have more impact than I thought... A dman might need to be going back to make this work... Hainsey?
Edit2: the intention was to give TB the chance to really go for it and take Sergachev and Foote off their hands while they're blinded by the Stanley cup...
Edit3: the obvious problem here being they'd prefer to spend that on Karlsson for 2 years of runs... But my hope is Ottawa says "not enough" or demands they take Ryan.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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Sergachev is 19, is producing at approx 0.5ppg and is making under 1 million a year for the next two years.
Imagine him on the Leafs, what would it take to trade him in that scenario?
Imagine Liljegren is producing 0.5ppg next season, it'd take a franchise type player coming back for you to deal him, right?
That's not to mention the benefit of getting top 3 production from a dman at that price and how it allows you freedom to fill out the rest of the team.
Okay, so no to your idea.
Imagine him on the Leafs, what would it take to trade him in that scenario?
Imagine Liljegren is producing 0.5ppg next season, it'd take a franchise type player coming back for you to deal him, right?
That's not to mention the benefit of getting top 3 production from a dman at that price and how it allows you freedom to fill out the rest of the team.
Okay, so no to your idea.
Sergachev is like our Nylander/Marner. He's not going anywhere.
Honestly I doubt Tampa even moves Foote for both JVR and Komarov.
Honestly I doubt Tampa even moves Foote for both JVR and Komarov.
Yes, I wasn't aware just how good Sergachev is doing in TB... So that certainly complicates the idea...
I believe it's been reported that TB is willing to pay the price to go for it, and that's what this thought train is based on.
Could the Leafs offer up enough without costing Reilly/Gardiner or the big 3?
Or you believe they would move Sergachev or Foote for anything?
I believe it's been reported that TB is willing to pay the price to go for it, and that's what this thought train is based on.
Could the Leafs offer up enough without costing Reilly/Gardiner or the big 3?
Or you believe they would move Sergachev or Foote for anything?
Coco-puffs
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AvroArrow said:
Yeah, they'd be willing to pay the price to get Karlsson. That's probably the only way Sergachev gets moved. Foote is probably a bit more in play depending on the deal. But it won't be a for a rental forward who's a 4th liner (Komarov) or a 3rd liner with elite PP production (JvR).
Plus, from the Leafs perspective, neither of those guys are getting moved unless another player they deem an upgrade is coming in. (ie, if they could get Rick Nash then I see JvR getting traded... need to clear the cap room to bring in Nash)
