Trade Deadline

[herman]

I read or heard somewhere that a Matt Martin deal is more likely in the summer AFTER he gets his bonus of 1.5Million.  After that, the actual remaining salary to be paid to him from the original 10M is only 2.5M for the next 2 seasons. (that's 2.5million TOTAL of real money he'll get, cap number is of course 2.5)

Didn't know that, thx.

Here:

I'd be very surprised if they dealt him in-season. Regardless of what we think about Martin, that wouldn't be good for team morale. Everyone on the team loves him. This seems like an off-season move to me.

At that point, he'd have 2 years left on his contract with a cap hit of $2.5mil. His actual salary paid in those two years is $2.25mil and then $1.75mil. He has signing bonuses of $1.5mil and $1.0mil in those two years. Assuming that the first signing bonus is paid out on July 1st like most of them are, a team acquiring him after that would only have to pay him $2.5mil for two seasons of work. That's good value. Finding a budget-y team that isn't going to be near the cap (which is rising) to take his contract without having to eat anything shouldn't be impossible.

and then a whole bunch of other people online and in articles said the same thing because they're copying Carlton it's obvious.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think it was Friedman who mentioned this the other day. That if a Lou trade gets leaked, it probably means the deal is already dead.

Ah man, it's going to be fascinating to find out what wins out here. Lou's archaic views towards being a general manager or Babcock's inane desire to acquire a terrible 4C he was in love with 4 years ago. What a battle of attrition this is going to be.

 

[Bullfrog]

We're all pulling for Lou on this one, right?

 

[Coco-puffs]

https://twitter.com/3rdPeriodSuits/status/966000105697419264

He's left-handed but I still think the Leafs should be checking in on McDonagh. Him with Rielly moving to the right side would give us a legitimate top pairing.

Looks like the Leafs are listening to your suggestions...

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/966453576804524033

 

[AvroArrow]

My concern with McDonagh is the cost to acquire.  My hope is JvR goes out for some of the assets to get McDonagh.

Just no Lily, and keep at least 1 first.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Looks like the Leafs are listening to your suggestions...

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/966453576804524033

Neato. I just read this article that's sorta a round-up of McDonagh talk, and apparently both Custance and LeBrun said the Rangers would be looking for something similar to what they paid when they acquired Keith Yandle a couple years ago.

That deal was Yandle, a 4th, and a spare contract for Anthony Duclair (Kapanen/Brown), John Moore (bottom pairing defenceman, maybe Borgman or Rosen?), a 1st and a 2nd. That seems workable to me.

 

[sickbeast]

Based on Babcock's comments not long ago that the best way for the players to put pressure on the GM is to play well, I would say that the Leafs just might be going for it this year, I believe they have gone close to 9-1 since Babcock said that.  They do have a half decent shot to go for a nice run.  Lou Lamoriello's job is not easy right now.  I'm not sure what I would do.

 

[bustaheims]

They do have a half decent shot to go for a nice run.  Lou Lamoriello's job is not easy right now.  I'm not sure what I would do.

I don't know. It feels like a pretty easy choice to me. You look at how they're winning games, what the team looks like when they're playing against the better teams, etc., and it's pretty clear to me that they're not quite real Cup contenders yet, and deadline acquisitions aren't going to make a big enough difference. A couple small depth moves to shore up some holes, and hope the team finds some magic - that's the fairly obvious route here.

 

[bustaheims]

My concern with McDonagh is the cost to acquire.  My hope is JvR goes out for some of the assets to get McDonagh.

Just no Lily, and keep at least 1 first.

As long as Kapanen, Dermott, and Liljagren aren't part of the deal, I'm not super concerned about the Leafs potentially including a 1st - but no more than 1.

 

[AvroArrow]

As long as Kapanen, Dermott, and Liljagren aren't part of the deal, I'm not super concerned about the Leafs potentially including a 1st - but no more than 1.

I think I'd rather trade Kapanen than the first.  Unless JvR was traded to recoup another first, then go nuts.

 

[bustaheims]

I think I'd rather trade Kapanen than the first.  Unless JvR was traded to recoup another first, then go nuts.

I'm pretty confident Kapanen is/will be as good, if not better, than the players who will be available when the Leafs' pick comes around - and he's already contributing at the NHL level. Rather have him now than a player who might be as good as him in 3 years. I mean, we're talking about a pick in the early to mid 20s. The players expected to be drafted in that range aren't super exciting. As long as the team doesn't make a habit out of moving 1st rounders, moving this year's instead of a solid piece like Kapanen is the smarter move, as their window to win the Cup should really open up next season.

 

[Chris]

As long as Kapanen, Dermott, and Liljagren aren't part of the deal, I'm not super concerned about the Leafs potentially including a 1st - but no more than 1.

I think I'd rather trade Kapanen than the first.  Unless JvR was traded to recoup another first, then go nuts.

So you think the Leafs late 1st round pick is likely to produce a player better than Kapanen? Kapanen is 21, fast, good offensive skills, kills penalties, effective along the boards...holy cow, I'd much rather give away our first round pick than Kapanen.

 

[Bender]

My concern with McDonagh is the cost to acquire.  My hope is JvR goes out for some of the assets to get McDonagh.

Just no Lily, and keep at least 1 first.

As long as Kapanen, Dermott, and Liljagren aren't part of the deal, I'm not super concerned about the Leafs potentially including a 1st - but no more than 1.

I also wouldn't want to move Andreas Johnsson

 

[Frank E]

Well, they're going to have to give to get.  They're not getting anything valuable for Brooks and Bracco. 

 

[AvroArrow]

Essentially, I think we have enough NHL ready wingers to spare one, even as good as Kapanen.

That first improves our chances greatly to keep the cupboard stocked with cost controlled options for the future.

 

[AvroArrow]

Think of it this way: if we're going to be a great team that places high in the standings and goes deep in the playoffs for a long time, we're going to need as many first round picks as we can get to try to keep the pipeline stocked.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Think of it this way: if we're going to be a great team that places high in the standings and goes deep in the playoffs for a long time, we're going to need as many first round picks as we can get to try to keep the pipeline stocked.

Stocked with NHL'ers like Kasperi Kapanen.

If you draft someone in the #20-#30 range you are extremely fortunate if they come into the NHL with the skillset that Kapanen has.

If a team values that more than Kapanen, you absolutely tear their hand off.

For every first rounder like Kapanen there are lots like Biggs, Percy and Gauthier.

A bird in hand is worth two in the bush.

Hockey fans tend to fetishize the first round pick, it is very valuable, but ultimately it's just a lotto ticket when compared to a youngster like Kapanen.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Well, they're going to have to give to get.  They're not getting anything valuable for Brooks and Bracco. 

Exactly, now that the team is good with good prospects nobody wants to give to get.

If you want to trade people a pile of garbage, guess what you get in return?

 

[Kin]

Think of it this way: if we're going to be a great team that places high in the standings and goes deep in the playoffs for a long time, we're going to need as many first round picks as we can get to try to keep the pipeline stocked.

This, incidentally, is why they should be trading their expiring contracts. By adding extra picks you can then trade picks and still have some.

 

[AvroArrow]

Think of it this way: if we're going to be a great team that places high in the standings and goes deep in the playoffs for a long time, we're going to need as many first round picks as we can get to try to keep the pipeline stocked.

This, incidentally, is why they should be trading their expiring contracts. By adding extra picks you can then trade picks and still have some.

That's the ideal!