Training Camp Thread - Currently with Marner now
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herman
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https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1178671950924828673
Y'all know what this means!
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Kapanen - Tavares - Marner
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Moore
Timashov - Gauthier - Spezza
Shore
Muzzin - Barrie
Rielly - Ceci
Sandin - Liljegren
Marincin- Holl
Y'all know what this means!
Johnsson - Matthews - Nylander
Kapanen - Tavares - Marner
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Moore
Timashov - Gauthier - Spezza
Shore
Muzzin - Barrie
Rielly - Ceci
Sandin - Liljegren
Marincin- Holl
Liljegren's still on the roster too. Maybe that's for cap/LTIR-ish reasons though. I doubt they have him sit in the pressbox.
herman
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Frank E said:
Correct me if I'm wrong: you say regression as in 'to regress', i.e. the opposite of 'to progress'.
I say regression as in, return to normalized levels, and that Gauthier and Marincin are already playing at their new normalized levels as nothing they've done has been luck-driven.
Arn said:
This is what our roster looked like last opening night. Bold are gone, italicized are injured:
Hyman-Tavares-Marner
Marleau-Matthews-Ennis
Leivo-Kadri-Brown
Johnsson-Lindholm-Kapanen
Rielly-Hainsey
Gardiner-Zaitsev
Dermott-Ozhiganov
Andersen
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herman said:
Not sure I'd call a 71.43 CF% during the pre-season sustainable. But I think what Frank basically just means is that Gauthier's looked good in pre-season because it's pre-season and the only players actually putting massive amounts of effort in are fringe players like Gauthier. It's why I can't even really compare his performance to Spezza's even when they're playing the same minutes/role. Spezza's a 17 year veteran, yeah maybe his spot isn't 100% locked down but he treats training camp/pre-season differently to someone like Gauthier.
If the Goat still looks good a month into the season against actual NHL competition in games that actually matter, I'll be pleasantly surprised. But I have my doubts that'll be the case. And also like we've sorta looked into already it probably won't even matter because the Leafs are stuck with him as one of their 12 forwards as long as they want Sandin on the team.
Bullfrog
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herman said:
I don't know if there's a right answer here, but I think a slight flaw in your view is that you're relying too much on luck as a an explanation for any deviation from their "normalized levels." There's so much more than just luck that goes into a variance. Additionally, their normalized level (what I would prefer to call "expected levels") aren't constant (but you allude to this given you state "new" levels.)
For what it's worth, I have a higher opinion of Marincin than Frank, but I somewhat agree with his assessment about Gauthier.
https://twitter.com/Jessturr/status/1178677653420859392
Yeah, I do think this is why Liljegren is still there then. His higher than league minimum salary means the Leafs can maximize slightly more of the LTIR benefit than having a guy making $700k around would. Wouldn't be entirely surprised to see him sent down sometime later this week.
Yeah, I do think this is why Liljegren is still there then. His higher than league minimum salary means the Leafs can maximize slightly more of the LTIR benefit than having a guy making $700k around would. Wouldn't be entirely surprised to see him sent down sometime later this week.
Frank E
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herman said:
"New Normalized" is probably a term that doesn't have a good definition...it's almost contradictory.
Marincin played himself off this roster this past season, and Gauthier shouldn't have been there but for the Leafs' lack of centre depth.
It seems that the past few years, some people get excited that Gauthier found another step, or that Marincin is going to make this the season where he establishes himself as a shutdown guy. They, among other hopefuls, have a couple of good games while trying to earn a job, and they both have the physical tools. People get excited because they're hopeful for these underdogs.
But not me. They've typically regressed back to their play that should net them a nice AHL career. Nice guys, I'm sure, but it's time for a new experiment in those spots.
Like Frog and Carlton said, Dubas painted himself into a corner here with the cap, and Gauthier and Marincin are cheap devils that Babcock knows. But I still don't like it, and I'm disappointed.
https://twitter.com/kristen_shilton/status/1178687066206609410
No surprises here, your opening night line-up.
No surprises here, your opening night line-up.
groundskeeper willie
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CarltonTheBear said:
That's something I don't understand about LTIR. If the Leafs are going to be into it all season long why does it matter if they're into it a little or a lot? Obviously there's a reason otherwise they wouldn't have traded for Clarkson or kept Liljegren up now but it's beyond my comprehension.
Arn said:
Would you believe that Boston signed him and that he's likely to make their opening night line-up?
Coco-puffs
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CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/1178686438906454016
Even closer than what that guy tweeted.
Also, Liljegren on the roster still is for cap/LTIR calculation reasons AND if they wanted to claim someone on waivers he could be sent down tomorrow without having to clear waivers.