We need Cory Schneider

[Tigger]

Trying to acquire an elite goalie?  I don't get it.

Schneider is an elite goalie? I don't get it...

Seriously though, have a look at the teams that have won the cup since the lockout.

Halak was a proven goalie, fwiw.

 

[Tigger]

As I said prior, Brian Burke won't fix the goaltending issues just like he couldn't fix the goaltending issue in Vancouver.

...and what you've said has been challenged with no response from you, the statement is a hollow/cursory indictment of what happened.

By your own logic Nonis 'fixed' the situation... I'm expecting crickets.

Nonis is not the GM here.

Riiiight, like I said, crickets.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

As I said prior, Brian Burke won't fix the goaltending issues just like he couldn't fix the goaltending issue in Vancouver.

...and what you've said has been challenged with no response from you, the statement is a hollow/cursory indictment of what happened.

By your own logic Nonis 'fixed' the situation... I'm expecting crickets.

Nonis is not the GM here.

Riiiight, like I said, crickets.

What crickets. Nonis didn't fix the goalie situation until Burke was fired.

 

[Tigger]

As I said prior, Brian Burke won't fix the goaltending issues just like he couldn't fix the goaltending issue in Vancouver.

...and what you've said has been challenged with no response from you, the statement is a hollow/cursory indictment of what happened.

By your own logic Nonis 'fixed' the situation... I'm expecting crickets.

Nonis is not the GM here.

Riiiight, like I said, crickets.

What crickets. Nonis didn't fix the goalie situation until Burke was fired.

Burke wasn't fired...

 

[maplesyrup]

Trying to acquire an elite goalie?  I don't get it.

Schneider is an elite goalie? I don't get it...

Seriously though, have a look at the teams that have won the cup since the lockout.

Halak was a proven goalie, fwiw.

Actually Tigger, I think Schneider has the potential to be among the very best at his position eventually. Is it a lock? Certainly not but I don't think the same can be said for either Kadri or Colborne. To be completely honest with you, I'm certain I'd rather have Schneider + whatever retrun Reimer and/or Gustavsson would get us than both of Kadri and Colborne. 

 

[Tigger]

Trying to acquire an elite goalie?  I don't get it.

Schneider is an elite goalie? I don't get it...

Seriously though, have a look at the teams that have won the cup since the lockout.

Halak was a proven goalie, fwiw.

Actually Tigger, I think Schneider has the potential to be among the very best at his position eventually. Is it a lock? Certainly not but I don't think the same can be said for either Kadri or Colborne. To be completely honest with you, I'm certain I'd rather have Schneider + whatever retrun Reimer and/or Gustavsson would get us than both of Kadri and Colborne.

Well you're free to think that but until Schneider does something besides back up a top goalie on a top team I won't be agreeing with you.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

As I said prior, Brian Burke won't fix the goaltending issues just like he couldn't fix the goaltending issue in Vancouver.

...and what you've said has been challenged with no response from you, the statement is a hollow/cursory indictment of what happened.

By your own logic Nonis 'fixed' the situation... I'm expecting crickets.

Nonis is not the GM here.

Riiiight, like I said, crickets.

What crickets. Nonis didn't fix the goalie situation until Burke was fired.

Burke wasn't fired...

His contract wasn't renewed. Big deal.

Of all the goaltenders under Burke in Vancouver not one of em was an elite goaltender. You can't argue that. Same thing is happening to Toronto.

The guy signs Reimer to a 3 year 5.4 million dollar deal based on half a season's workload. This is after having a 6.5 million dollar goalie injured/playing like crap last season.

 

[maplesyrup]

Trying to acquire an elite goalie?  I don't get it.

Schneider is an elite goalie? I don't get it...

Seriously though, have a look at the teams that have won the cup since the lockout.

Halak was a proven goalie, fwiw.

Actually Tigger, I think Schneider has the potential to be among the very best at his position eventually. Is it a lock? Certainly not but I don't think the same can be said for either Kadri or Colborne. To be completely honest with you, I'm certain I'd rather have Schneider + whatever retrun Reimer and/or Gustavsson would get us than both of Kadri and Colborne.

Well you're free to think that but until Schneider does something besides back up a top goalie on a top team I won't be agreeing with you.

That's fine... but also remember that while I'm at the front Joe Colborne for President movement, he hasn't done much yet either and Nazem Kadri just got scratched for Jay Rosehill.

 

[Tigger]

As I said prior, Brian Burke won't fix the goaltending issues just like he couldn't fix the goaltending issue in Vancouver.

...and what you've said has been challenged with no response from you, the statement is a hollow/cursory indictment of what happened.

By your own logic Nonis 'fixed' the situation... I'm expecting crickets.

Nonis is not the GM here.

Riiiight, like I said, crickets.

What crickets. Nonis didn't fix the goalie situation until Burke was fired.

Burke wasn't fired...

His contract wasn't renewed. Big deal.

Of all the goaltenders under Burke in Vancouver not one of em was an elite goaltender. You can't argue that. Same thing is happening to Toronto.

The guy signs Reimer to a 3 year 5.4 million dollar deal based on half a season's workload. This is after having a 6.5 million dollar goalie injured/playing like crap last season.

You can't seriously believe that having Nonis in the fold, if one is to even take your argument seriously, doesn't have an effect on what happens with the Leafs.

Neither can you seriously believe that all of the machinery wasn't in place under Burke before the Canucks drafted Schneider in '04.

No big deal that you were wrong, ok sure but you still haven't even started to address the actual situation in Vancouver that Burke was trying to fix, you're just making a huge generalization and expecting people to swallow it.

Edit to add, I'm sitting here just kind of incredulous at the bolded part, what Burke has done with the Leafs to try and fix the goaltending situation is not really comparable to what happened in Vancouver, show me how it's the same, please.

 

[Tigger]

Trying to acquire an elite goalie?  I don't get it.

Schneider is an elite goalie? I don't get it...

Seriously though, have a look at the teams that have won the cup since the lockout.

Halak was a proven goalie, fwiw.

Actually Tigger, I think Schneider has the potential to be among the very best at his position eventually. Is it a lock? Certainly not but I don't think the same can be said for either Kadri or Colborne. To be completely honest with you, I'm certain I'd rather have Schneider + whatever retrun Reimer and/or Gustavsson would get us than both of Kadri and Colborne.

Well you're free to think that but until Schneider does something besides back up a top goalie on a top team I won't be agreeing with you.

That's fine... but also remember that while I'm at the front Joe Colborne for President movement, he hasn't done much yet either and Nazem Kadri just got scratched for Jay Rosehill.

I'm to base your opinion on your opinion?

Kadri getting scratched for Rosehill is kind of weak sauce though man.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

As I said prior, Brian Burke won't fix the goaltending issues just like he couldn't fix the goaltending issue in Vancouver.

...and what you've said has been challenged with no response from you, the statement is a hollow/cursory indictment of what happened.

By your own logic Nonis 'fixed' the situation... I'm expecting crickets.

Nonis is not the GM here.

Riiiight, like I said, crickets.

What crickets. Nonis didn't fix the goalie situation until Burke was fired.

Burke wasn't fired...

His contract wasn't renewed. Big deal.

Of all the goaltenders under Burke in Vancouver not one of em was an elite goaltender. You can't argue that. Same thing is happening to Toronto.

The guy signs Reimer to a 3 year 5.4 million dollar deal based on half a season's workload. This is after having a 6.5 million dollar goalie injured/playing like crap last season.

You can't seriously believe that having Nonis in the fold, if one is to even take your argument seriously, doesn't have an effect on the what happens with the Leafs.

Neither can you seriously believe that all of the machinery wasn't in place under Burke before the Canucks drafted Schneider in '04.

No big deal that you were wrong, ok sure but you still haven't even started to address the actual situation in Vancouver that Burke was trying to fix, you're just making a huge generalization and expecting people to swallow it.

Aside from Giguere who he inherited in Anaheim what other elite goaltender did Burke managed to sign, trade for during his tenure as GM of Vancouver and now Toronto?

Answer me please.

 

[Zee]

Thing is do you believe that it's "do or die" to make the playoffs this season so we should trade promising players to acquire one? I'd be more apt to let the season play out as is and then look to sign a FA goalie in the summer without losing anyone (if anyone decent is available). If no goalie is a FA then you can explore the trade route.

 

[Tigger]

As I said prior, Brian Burke won't fix the goaltending issues just like he couldn't fix the goaltending issue in Vancouver.

...and what you've said has been challenged with no response from you, the statement is a hollow/cursory indictment of what happened.

By your own logic Nonis 'fixed' the situation... I'm expecting crickets.

Nonis is not the GM here.

Riiiight, like I said, crickets.

What crickets. Nonis didn't fix the goalie situation until Burke was fired.

Burke wasn't fired...

His contract wasn't renewed. Big deal.

Of all the goaltenders under Burke in Vancouver not one of em was an elite goaltender. You can't argue that. Same thing is happening to Toronto.

The guy signs Reimer to a 3 year 5.4 million dollar deal based on half a season's workload. This is after having a 6.5 million dollar goalie injured/playing like crap last season.

You can't seriously believe that having Nonis in the fold, if one is to even take your argument seriously, doesn't have an effect on the what happens with the Leafs.

Neither can you seriously believe that all of the machinery wasn't in place under Burke before the Canucks drafted Schneider in '04.

No big deal that you were wrong, ok sure but you still haven't even started to address the actual situation in Vancouver that Burke was trying to fix, you're just making a huge generalization and expecting people to swallow it.

Aside from Giguere who he inherited in Anaheim what other elite goaltender did Burke managed to sign, trade for during his tenure as GM of Vancouver and now Toronto?

Answer me please.

'Elite' goaltending wasn't the question I was addressing, I edited the previous post so right back at ya.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

As I said prior, Brian Burke won't fix the goaltending issues just like he couldn't fix the goaltending issue in Vancouver.

...and what you've said has been challenged with no response from you, the statement is a hollow/cursory indictment of what happened.

By your own logic Nonis 'fixed' the situation... I'm expecting crickets.

Nonis is not the GM here.

Riiiight, like I said, crickets.

What crickets. Nonis didn't fix the goalie situation until Burke was fired.

Burke wasn't fired...

His contract wasn't renewed. Big deal.

Of all the goaltenders under Burke in Vancouver not one of em was an elite goaltender. You can't argue that. Same thing is happening to Toronto.

The guy signs Reimer to a 3 year 5.4 million dollar deal based on half a season's workload. This is after having a 6.5 million dollar goalie injured/playing like crap last season.

You can't seriously believe that having Nonis in the fold, if one is to even take your argument seriously, doesn't have an effect on the what happens with the Leafs.

Neither can you seriously believe that all of the machinery wasn't in place under Burke before the Canucks drafted Schneider in '04.

No big deal that you were wrong, ok sure but you still haven't even started to address the actual situation in Vancouver that Burke was trying to fix, you're just making a huge generalization and expecting people to swallow it.

Aside from Giguere who he inherited in Anaheim what other elite goaltender did Burke managed to sign, trade for during his tenure as GM of Vancouver and now Toronto?

Answer me please.

'Elite' goaltending wasn't the question I was addressing, I edited the previous post so right back at ya.

Answer my question instead of deflecting it.

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm to base your opinion on your opinion?

Kadri getting scratched for Rosehill is kind of weak sauce though man.

No. You're free to do with it what you may. My feeling however is that of Schneider, Colborne, and Kadri, I'd choose the goaltender so fast my own head would be spinning.

 

[Tigger]

Answer my question instead of deflecting it.

I already did, here, where your claim was a little different...

Great, another goaltending mess. Just remember the goaltending mess Burke had in Vancouver.

Why?

Because it went on forever and he never managed to fix it before being shelved (Snow, Potvin, Weekes, Cloutier, Essensa - that is just a pile of mediocrity). History is repeating itself.

Reimer and Jonas don't strike me as being the same quality as most of those goalies and Nonis got the job done there, no? ( drafted Schneider and traded for Lou ) I don't know why Brian had some difficulty sorting that out but he did rid the `Nyucks of Snow pretty quick ( I think he inherited Snow from Quinn and Weekes was a minor part of the Bure trade brought in as a back up ) Essensa was brought in to back up Potvin but was a crowd favourite and outplayed the starter for the most part that year.

Cloutier, while not a great goalie, had 3 decent seasons under Burke ( his best 3 seasons actually ).

Jonas is the only goalie Burke has brought in past drafts, the only thing that seems similar to me is the dearth of goaltending talent he inherited, for history to repeat itself Brian will have to make a few trades...

History is hardly repeating itself and the Leafs have a capable #2 who did make a difference in the year immediately after Burke moved on.

Burke may not have brought in an elite goaltender to Vancouver but that was never your argument before.

 

[Tigger]

I'm to base your opinion on your opinion?

Kadri getting scratched for Rosehill is kind of weak sauce though man.

No. You're free to do with it what you may. My feeling however is that of Schneider, Colborne, and Kadri, I'd choose the goaltender so fast my own head would be spinning.

Well goaltending is pretty tough to get a read on these days, I'm certainly no expert but I find it hard to agree with you.

 

[Mikhail Bloodnovsky]

Answer my question instead of deflecting it.

I already did, here, where your claim was a little different...

Great, another goaltending mess. Just remember the goaltending mess Burke had in Vancouver.

Why?

Because it went on forever and he never managed to fix it before being shelved (Snow, Potvin, Weekes, Cloutier, Essensa - that is just a pile of mediocrity). History is repeating itself.

Reimer and Jonas don't strike me as being the same quality as most of those goalies and Nonis got the job done there, no? ( drafted Schneider and traded for Lou ) I don't know why Brian had some difficulty sorting that out but he did rid the `Nyucks of Snow pretty quick ( I think he inherited Snow from Quinn and Weekes was a minor part of the Bure trade brought in as a back up ) Essensa was brought in to back up Potvin but was a crowd favourite and outplayed the starter for the most part that year.

Cloutier, while not a great goalie, had 3 decent seasons under Burke ( his best 3 seasons actually ).

Jonas is the only goalie Burke has brought in past drafts, the only thing that seems similar to me is the dearth of goaltending talent he inherited, for history to repeat itself Brian will have to make a few trades...

History is hardly repeating itself and the Leafs have a capable #2 who did make a difference in the year immediately after Burke moved on.

Burke may not have brought in an elite goaltender to Vancouver but that was never your argument before.

Didn't Nonis spend 6 years as Senior Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations under Burke during the Canucks mediocre goaltending? Isn't that the same position he has now with the Leafs?

 

[maplesyrup]

I'm to base your opinion on your opinion?

Kadri getting scratched for Rosehill is kind of weak sauce though man.

No. You're free to do with it what you may. My feeling however is that of Schneider, Colborne, and Kadri, I'd choose the goaltender so fast my own head would be spinning.

Well goaltending is pretty tough to get a read on these days, I'm certainly no expert but I find it hard to agree with you.

I'm no expert either... I had Gustavsson in the scrap heap earlier in the season, so...

 

[Tigger]

Didn't Nonis spend 6 years as Senior Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations under Burke during the Canucks mediocre goaltending? Isn't that the same position he has now with the Leafs?

Yes.