William Nylander
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RedLeaf said:
If someone were to say that, that the premise for trading Nylander for defensive help is stupid because they're unlikely to get Aaron Ekblad for him I think I'd be more inclined to question why the deal could only be a worthwhile one if the Leafs were getting someone the exact same age as Nylander. I don't think old men of 22 like Seth Jones, Jacob Trouba, Hampus Lindholm or Rasmus Ristolainen would be bad options, even crazy ones depending on how things might shake out with their respective clubs.
If someone is going to say exploring a trade of Nylander for a defenseman is a stupid idea and then say it's stupid because there aren't any great 20 year old defensemen besides Ekblad it would seem to me that the problem is more with the conditions they've set than the argument being made.
Good thing this is all hypothetical though.
herman
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No actual word on Nylander's injury at the moment.
Judging by how the Leafs handled Soshnikov's injury, this could be another Sports Science Prehab situation.
Nylander was shut down and Babcock didn't know about it until game time. I would be be surprised if this is similar to what Leivo is working on as well.
Judging by how the Leafs handled Soshnikov's injury, this could be another Sports Science Prehab situation.
Nylander was shut down and Babcock didn't know about it until game time. I would be be surprised if this is similar to what Leivo is working on as well.
Heroic Shrimp
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herman said:
herman
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Heroic Shrimp said:herman said:
My diction was intentional 8)
http://theleafsnation.com/2016/11/29/william-nylander-has-become-the-scapegoat-and-that-s-sadly-unsurprising
Jeff Veillette aggregates some of MSM's poop-toss quotes for you to make fun of.
https://twitter.com/kyledubas/status/804004965563899904
Love for Dubas rising (even further)...
bustaheims
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A 20 year old rookie has been inconsistent? Oh my stars! He must have attitude problems!
ZBBM
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Really. The idea that Nylander should be a trading chip is absurd unless you are getting back his equivalent on defense. And even then I'd be hesitant to make a deal at this point in his career. Last spring when he was our newest, shiniest thing I didn't hear any talk like this.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
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herman
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Babcock came right out up front about it prior to the Oiler game too. Nylander wasn't being sent any messages: medical staff prevented him from playing, he's suiting up on the 4th line to force the Oilers to pick their poison.
I think Jeff pretty much nails the reason Nylander gets singled out a bit: quiet outsider with name recognition. Also, so dang good it looks like he's not trying.
I also think Nylander, like Kadri, plays better with a burr in his saddle and his feet to the imaginary fire of media ire. MSM can say what they want. I will enjoy the show Nylander puts on.
I think Jeff pretty much nails the reason Nylander gets singled out a bit: quiet outsider with name recognition. Also, so dang good it looks like he's not trying.
I also think Nylander, like Kadri, plays better with a burr in his saddle and his feet to the imaginary fire of media ire. MSM can say what they want. I will enjoy the show Nylander puts on.
WhatIfGodWasALeaf
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herman said:
That is a really good breakdown.
I'm sure the usual lazy narrative crowd wouldn't have the collective brainpower to make it through the article.
This is the kind of thing the national broadcasters should be doing, instead the sell easy narratives and fill time with hot air.
herman
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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
I get where you're going with this and I'm all on board!. I don't think the current crop of broadcasters (for the most part) are up to the task, however. Mike Johnson, Marty Biron are quite good though... The media covering this sport is as entrenched as the old school of hockey in management/coaching. Note which side of hockey MSM/blogosphere had what to say about Florida's firing of Gallant.
herman
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Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
I think TV guys should make the time to go into that kind of detail, maybe for single events, or multiple examples of the same type of play/player skill, rather than some of the drivel they are currently clogging the airwaves with.
Something like Mike Johnson's breakdown of Matthews' 4-goal debut is not beyond their grasp: https://vimeo.com/187134719
herman
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Someone asked Babcock at yesterday's morning scrum:
Obviously, TSN would do this:
http://www.tsn.ca/video/button-william-nylander-will-not-be-a-long-term-maple-leaf~1049262
Per Button, he thinks Nylander will be gone in 12 months because he is the best chip we have to securing strength in another area (e.g. Trouba). The additional argument is, do the Leafs want Nylander whiling away on the 3rd line, especially when we've got Adam Brooks about a year or two away?
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A) Button, for all his bombast, is pretty smart and actually, in my opinion, has a decent eye. He is also pretty calculating about what he says, demonstrating excellent fluency in clickbait.
B) They're not wrong in wanting to leverage Nylander with higher minutes (ostensibly as a scoring winger because it's easier, Jeff O'Neill projecting heavily here); especially with Adam Brooks making a case.
Personally, I see Nylander as a short-term JvR replacement, and Swiss Army option for Babcock whenever injuries strike. He plays all three forward positions, will always be dangerous on the power play, and even though he looks nonchalant, Nylander is actually pretty effective defensively. He'll probably play the gap year as 3C when Bozak is gone but Brooks (or whoever) isn't up yet, but then revert to scoring winger for his default until Kadri falters.
Babcock also rolls his top 3 lines pretty equally, no where near what other teams run their top lines at (Matthews is 1st line at 17ish minutes), so 3rd line minutes are really 2nd line minutes in our system.
Obviously, TSN would do this:
http://www.tsn.ca/video/button-william-nylander-will-not-be-a-long-term-maple-leaf~1049262
Per Button, he thinks Nylander will be gone in 12 months because he is the best chip we have to securing strength in another area (e.g. Trouba). The additional argument is, do the Leafs want Nylander whiling away on the 3rd line, especially when we've got Adam Brooks about a year or two away?
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A) Button, for all his bombast, is pretty smart and actually, in my opinion, has a decent eye. He is also pretty calculating about what he says, demonstrating excellent fluency in clickbait.
B) They're not wrong in wanting to leverage Nylander with higher minutes (ostensibly as a scoring winger because it's easier, Jeff O'Neill projecting heavily here); especially with Adam Brooks making a case.
Personally, I see Nylander as a short-term JvR replacement, and Swiss Army option for Babcock whenever injuries strike. He plays all three forward positions, will always be dangerous on the power play, and even though he looks nonchalant, Nylander is actually pretty effective defensively. He'll probably play the gap year as 3C when Bozak is gone but Brooks (or whoever) isn't up yet, but then revert to scoring winger for his default until Kadri falters.
Babcock also rolls his top 3 lines pretty equally, no where near what other teams run their top lines at (Matthews is 1st line at 17ish minutes), so 3rd line minutes are really 2nd line minutes in our system.
TSN's been trying to trade Nylander all season long. They talk about it literally every single week in some form.