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Your summer 2012 strategy?

bustaheims said:
pnjunction said:
Tigger said:
Also, trading for a number one might be pretty difficult, risky too.

I was going to say landing a proven #1 could be more than difficult, closer to impossible.

That's just it. It is pretty much impossible. How many guys who were already clear #1 goalies have been traded in the past decade? I can only think of 2, and one pretty much demanded a deal out of Florida. The guys that will be available for trade are platoon guys, younger backups who might be able to shoulder the load and guys with other question marks surrounding them - and, I think we'd all agree, the Leafs have been down that road enough times with no success to really hang their hopes on that. Unless one of these guys comes cheap, sign a vet who can split time with Reimer/Gustavsson/whoever and go from there.
Hopefully Luongo can prove he can get the job done in the playoffs this year and Vancouver will be more willing to part with Schneider, I would be willing to take a chance on him.
 
For once, I honestly don't know.  I am at a complete loss.  I don't even know where to begin.

We need:

-  Number 1 center
-  Cap space
-  True shut down dman
-  Real 3rd line...
-  Starting goalie
-  Team toughness/Power forward

I could go on.

I do know that signing free agents hasn't worked (Connolly, Komisarek, Finger, Armstrong, among others) have been DISASTROUS.

I'd deal Schenn for a top 6 forward or starting goalie if possible.  I'd LOVE to move whatever of team L.A.C.K we could just to clear up cap space. 

Jeez I don't know but I full expect next season to be almost exactly the same as this season.  We won't- it's not really possible- for us to improve significantly enough to become a playoff team next season.
 
You know, not that it matters, but I'm pretty sure the point of the Chicken Little story is that he's panicking about something he thinks is going to happen, not that he's depressed about something that's already happened.
 
Saint Nik said:
You know, not that it matters, but I'm pretty sure the point of the Chicken Little story is that he's panicking about something he thinks is going to happen, not that he's depressed about something that's already happened.

I thought chicken little thought the sky was falling at that very moment, like it was on its way down and he needed to take cover.
 
Deebo said:
I thought chicken little thought the sky was falling at that very moment, like it was on its way down and he needed to take cover.

Well, yeah, but the sky falling is still in the future tense, right?

It's not him saying "The Sky fell and everything sucks".
 
Saint Nik said:
Deebo said:
I thought chicken little thought the sky was falling at that very moment, like it was on its way down and he needed to take cover.

Well, yeah, but the sky falling is still in the future tense, right?

It's not him saying "The Sky fell and everything sucks".
This is very thinly related to the topic.
 
Saint Nik said:
Deebo said:
I thought chicken little thought the sky was falling at that very moment, like it was on its way down and he needed to take cover.

Well, yeah, but the sky falling is still in the future tense, right?

It's not him saying "The Sky fell and everything sucks".

Like I said, "the sky falls on you", meaning has fallen already, which, if it were to happen, I would assume make one upset.
 
Potvin29 said:
Like I said, "the sky falls on you", meaning has fallen already, which, if it were to happen, I would assume make one upset.

Well, but that's the point, isn't it? Chicken Little's fears were fundamentally irrational because the sky doesn't actually fall.

I just don't get the allusion, I suppose. I mean, I understand why some people might want to paint anyone bummed out as being Chicken Little but I don't think it follows.
 
Potvin29 said:
Man, when things go bad, the sky really does fall on you, eh?  Cheer up man!!  Free hugs.

It's only "falling" in the sense that I am convinced we are going to suck again next year as well.  After that who knows, but for the forseable future we are going to be in the same position as now.  Just a crappy hockey team.  2-3 years ago we were saying we would be in a playoff spot by now but 2-3 years go by and we are STILL at least a couple years ago.

I've also resigned myself to the fact we are Columbus-East.  1 star winger, no goaltending, severly overpaid players (Umberger/Vermette/Methot/Tyutin/etc vs. Grabovski somewhat/Komisarek/Lombardi/Connolly, etc).

This is probably going to sound the most chicken little of all but I don't see much in terms of our young players either.  I wouldn't be surprised if in 3 years not 1 of Ashton, Colborne, Kadri, Schenn or Kulemin are even on the roster.  In fact, I'd probably make a fun bet that 3 years from now not a single one of those guys is playing for us.

Anyways, I'm venting I know, and I apologize but I've just given up mostly because, like Nik said, I look ahead and don't see any way of improving.
 
Ern, I think there are some moveable parts at both the NHL and AHL level... There's room for a shake-up here this off-season. I'm hanging on to that.
 
Erndog said:
This is probably going to sound the most chicken little of all but I don't see much in terms of our young players either.  I wouldn't be surprised if in 3 years not 1 of Ashton, Colborne, Kadri, Schenn or Kulemin are even on the roster.  In fact, I'd probably make a fun bet that 3 years from now not a single one of those guys is playing for us.

That's just having a less than rosy outlook. Chicken Little was panicking. Honestly, at this point, I'd take some panic. Right now the overwhelming sentiment seems to be glum resignation.
 
Sarge said:
Ern, I think there are some moveable parts at both the NHL and AHL level... There's room for a shake-up here this off-season. I'm hanging on to that.

I mean... sure.  At the end of the day we could move a bunch of players but the ones we *could* move are the ones we probably don't want too.  And the ones we can't move are the ones we want too.

I suppose next deadline we could deal quite a few guys but again, by that time it could be very well be too late and we'd be facing yet another year with no playoffs.
 
bustaheims said:
pnjunction said:
Tigger said:
Also, trading for a number one might be pretty difficult, risky too.

I was going to say landing a proven #1 could be more than difficult, closer to impossible.

That's just it. It is pretty much impossible. How many guys who were already clear #1 goalies have been traded in the past decade? I can only think of 2, and one pretty much demanded a deal out of Florida. The guys that will be available for trade are platoon guys, younger backups who might be able to shoulder the load and guys with other question marks surrounding them - and, I think we'd all agree, the Leafs have been down that road enough times with no success to really hang their hopes on that. Unless one of these guys comes cheap, sign a vet who can split time with Reimer/Gustavsson/whoever and go from there.

Agreed and I would say the same about a #1 C.  A guy like Nash just doesn't come up very often, in his prime.  If he truly is available this summer and the price comes down to reality, Burke should consider giving in and taking the plunge.  You could draft for years before you find this calibre of player and from what I have seen in our drafting history I wouldn't bank on it happening any time soon. You put him in our lineup and it solves a world of hurt for the next 10 years.
 
Erndog said:
Sarge said:
Ern, I think there are some moveable parts at both the NHL and AHL level... There's room for a shake-up here this off-season. I'm hanging on to that.

I mean... sure.  At the end of the day we could move a bunch of players but the ones we *could* move are the ones we probably don't want too.  And the ones we can't move are the ones we want too.

I suppose next deadline we could deal quite a few guys but again, by that time it could be very well be too late and we'd be facing yet another year with no playoffs.

Just trying to get you to mid July... After that, well, I guess it's up to the crash net.  :P 
 
Man, the end to the last season was so much better. We missed the play offs but we ended the season on such a roll and finally had a #1 goalie. So much optimism moving forward. Also we had plenty of cap space to look forward to that summer (possibly even chance at Brad Richards). Forward to this and it's a doozy.
 
As a number one priority, I would target Vokoun and then if unsuccessful, Nabokov.  I would let Gus walk and work with Reimer as a backup.

On D, I would look for some tough, defensive oriented players who can eat minutes, but won't cost too much.  Greg Zanon and Adrian Aucoin if possible - Aucoin on a one year deal.  Other players in a similar mould may be out there.

I agree with Tiger on guys like McClement, Moen and Prust for the third and fourth lines.

If needed, I would buy out Komisarek, but guys like Armstrong and Lombardi may not make the team next year with these new additions, in which case they would be demoted to the Marlies.

Finally, if I thought I could fit him, I'd try for Parise.  Yu need to add guys of his calibre when you can and the Leafs in particular need high end, puck possession forwards.
 
Goalie. Goalie. Goalie.

See if there's anyway to pry Halak out of St. Louis. Barring that, move mountains to get Schneider out of Vancouver. If that fails, try for Bernier in Los Angeles. I know his numbers aren't much better than what we have, but he's got a nice pedigree at least, and he's never been able to get into a groove in the NHL because Quick has been amazing for the last few years.

But for the love of God, don't come back with Gus and Reimer, or Reimer and Scrivens, or any other combination of suck that's currently with the organization.
 

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