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Your summer 2012 strategy?

The whole team should be sent over to China to train with the Shaolin Monks. 

The 36 chambers will fix their game REAL quick.
 
bustaheims said:
I'll admit, I'm exhausted, but it's not because of Burke or anything he's done to the team, but rather, because of those in the media and on message boards that continue to harp on the same points over and over and over and over and over again. Listening to this broken record on such a regular basis certainly tires me out.

I appreciate the sentiment and I agree to one extent or another but that media/fan reaction is a symptom of the team's performance.
 
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
Time to do what North Korea did to their soccer players after World Cup 2010. Time to shame them in the public forum.

You're adorable.
 
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
Time to do what North Korea did to their soccer players after World Cup 2010. Time to shame them in the public forum.

That would definitely make free agents want to sign here...
 
I really hope Burke swallows his pride and looks to re-make this team into something tougher than it currently is.  He should rely heavily on what Carlyle sees/doesn't see in the current roster makeup after his 18 game "tryout".  Look for players who :

a) have played well for Carlyle previously
b) have played well in a defensive-responsible system ANYWHERE

This team needs to become a boring as hell to watch, but wins on most nights type of team.  Low amount of scoring chances, clog up the neutral zone, chip and hammer on the boards.  Get any kind of player who's had success playing in a system like that.  Totally revamp the team.

Please note: Phil Kessel scored 36 goals playing with Claude Julien's team that gave up the fewest goals in the league in 2008/2009, so he can stay.
 
Zee said:
I really hope Burke swallows his pride and looks to re-make this team into something tougher than it currently is.  He should rely heavily on what Carlyle sees/doesn't see in the current roster makeup after his 18 game "tryout".  Look for players who :

a) have played well for Carlyle previously
b) have played well in a defensive-responsible system ANYWHERE

This team needs to become a boring as hell to watch, but wins on most nights type of team.  Low amount of scoring chances, clog up the neutral zone, chip and hammer on the boards.  Get any kind of player who's had success playing in a system like that.  Totally revamp the team.

Please note: Phil Kessel scored 36 goals playing with Claude Julien's team that gave up the fewest goals in the league in 2008/2009, so he can stay.

He already turned over the roster completely while preaching truculence and toughness.
 
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
Zee said:
I really hope Burke swallows his pride and looks to re-make this team into something tougher than it currently is.  He should rely heavily on what Carlyle sees/doesn't see in the current roster makeup after his 18 game "tryout".  Look for players who :

a) have played well for Carlyle previously
b) have played well in a defensive-responsible system ANYWHERE

This team needs to become a boring as hell to watch, but wins on most nights type of team.  Low amount of scoring chances, clog up the neutral zone, chip and hammer on the boards.  Get any kind of player who's had success playing in a system like that.  Totally revamp the team.

Please note: Phil Kessel scored 36 goals playing with Claude Julien's team that gave up the fewest goals in the league in 2008/2009, so he can stay.

He already turned over the roster completely while preaching truculence and toughness.

Yeah but we stink, for real this time.  ;D ;D
 
Zee said:
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
Zee said:
I really hope Burke swallows his pride and looks to re-make this team into something tougher than it currently is.  He should rely heavily on what Carlyle sees/doesn't see in the current roster makeup after his 18 game "tryout".  Look for players who :

a) have played well for Carlyle previously
b) have played well in a defensive-responsible system ANYWHERE

This team needs to become a boring as hell to watch, but wins on most nights type of team.  Low amount of scoring chances, clog up the neutral zone, chip and hammer on the boards.  Get any kind of player who's had success playing in a system like that.  Totally revamp the team.

Please note: Phil Kessel scored 36 goals playing with Claude Julien's team that gave up the fewest goals in the league in 2008/2009, so he can stay.

He already turned over the roster completely while preaching truculence and toughness.

Yeah but we stink, for real this time.  ;D ;D

I don't think this team is that hopeless though they do need some toughness in the top 6. The Bozak, MacArthur, Kessel line is just something else when it comes to softness. We should call em the Cottonelle line.
 
Chazz-Micheal Liles said:
Zee said:
I really hope Burke swallows his pride and looks to re-make this team into something tougher than it currently is.  He should rely heavily on what Carlyle sees/doesn't see in the current roster makeup after his 18 game "tryout".  Look for players who :

a) have played well for Carlyle previously
b) have played well in a defensive-responsible system ANYWHERE

This team needs to become a boring as hell to watch, but wins on most nights type of team.  Low amount of scoring chances, clog up the neutral zone, chip and hammer on the boards.  Get any kind of player who's had success playing in a system like that.  Totally revamp the team.

Please note: Phil Kessel scored 36 goals playing with Claude Julien's team that gave up the fewest goals in the league in 2008/2009, so he can stay.

He already turned over the roster completely while preaching truculence and toughness.

Turning over the roster and icing a good team are two different things. But seriously, it's time to go crazy with picks and hope Owuya pans out.

Ugh things could've been so much different if we just didn't sign JFJ. We would've been had some stability and there wouldn't be such anxiousness to make the playoffs because it probably wouldn't be drawn out this long.
 
Zee said:
I really hope Burke swallows his pride and looks to re-make this team into something tougher than it currently is.  He should rely heavily on what Carlyle sees/doesn't see in the current roster makeup after his 18 game "tryout".  Look for players who :

a) have played well for Carlyle previously
b) have played well in a defensive-responsible system ANYWHERE

This team needs to become a boring as hell to watch, but wins on most nights type of team.  Low amount of scoring chances, clog up the neutral zone, chip and hammer on the boards.  Get any kind of player who's had success playing in a system like that.  Totally revamp the team.

Please note: Phil Kessel scored 36 goals playing with Claude Julien's team that gave up the fewest goals in the league in 2008/2009, so he can stay.

I think making the team tougher is a forgone conclusion.  Carlyle is going to demand it if Burke hasn't already resigned himself to making changes.  Maybe he held back due to Wilson's demands or simply refusing to dress the enforcers.. But Burke has to find guys who can play tough but are not useless.  We need another Mike Brown or a larger version that can stay healthy, and he has to find at least one top six forward who has and uses size as well. 

Its interesting because there is a stockpile of players in the system who fit this mold exactly, but most are still a few years away.  Also, many are FROM ONTARIO.  Burke may have to sell some to buy some guys who can step in now.
 
Saint Nik said:
bustaheims said:
I'll admit, I'm exhausted, but it's not because of Burke or anything he's done to the team, but rather, because of those in the media and on message boards that continue to harp on the same points over and over and over and over and over again. Listening to this broken record on such a regular basis certainly tires me out.

I appreciate the sentiment and I agree to one extent or another but that media/fan reaction is a symptom of the team's performance.

In many (probably even most) cases, the same complaints being fielded now were being made earlier in the season when the team was winning and held a playoff spot. They're just louder now that the team is bottoming out.
 
bustaheims said:
In many (probably even most) cases, the same complaints being fielded now were being made earlier in the season when the team was winning and held a playoff spot. They're just louder now that the team is bottoming out.

Well, yeah. The team wasn't going to be immune to criticism by virtue of the fact that they were scrapping it out in the 8th spot in the East and the criticisms they did face then and all-season were, ultimately, what ended up dooming them(softness, sketchy D, inconsistent goaltending). Those criticisms did become more pronounced as the team drove off a cliff but, again, that's proportional.
 
All this leads me to think that they need a guy like Nash anchoring the top line.  He's not a cure-all but he plays "big" and sets that tone for the rest of the forwards.

How you fix the back end, I don't know.  I won't beat the Phaneuf drum any more here.  Turning to Schenn, though -- wow.  What he was supposed to be is exactly what we need on the blue line (and a couple more like it). 

Anyhow, I am all in for blowing 'er up this summer.  BB made a terrible mistake turning down those 1sts at the deadline, but he painted himself into a corner when he gave the premature extension to Wilson.  Now we are paying for it.
 
Zanzibar Buck-Buck McFate said:
Anyhow, I am all in for blowing 'er up this summer.  BB made a terrible mistake turning down those 1sts at the deadline, but he painted himself into a corner when he gave the premature extension to Wilson.  Now we are paying for it.

This is what bothers me.  Leafs are always paying for Burke's mistakes and stupid moves.  Anyone could have seen that the first round picks would have been great, you get rid of players off the roster, clear up cap room, get picks back and build.  They're going to have to turn over this roster ANYWAY, why didn't he start at the deadline, admit he was wrong and move on?  Instead we get this...mess.
 
Zee said:
This is what bothers me.  Leafs are always paying for Burke's mistakes and stupid moves.  Anyone could have seen that the first round picks would have been great, you get rid of players off the roster, clear up cap room, get picks back and build.  They're going to have to turn over this roster ANYWAY, why didn't he start at the deadline, admit he was wrong and move on?  Instead we get this...mess.

Yup, late first round picks in an extremely shallow draft and cap space for what is probably the worst UFA crop since this style of free agency was introduced into the NHL . . . that's what will turn this team around.
 
I totally agree that 2 or 3 of those guys should have been dealt for 1sts at the deadline. Hopefully, the guys in question are equally valuable to teams this summer and maybe that was Burke's line of thinking last month. We'll see what happens.  :-\
 
bustaheims said:
Zee said:
This is what bothers me.  Leafs are always paying for Burke's mistakes and stupid moves.  Anyone could have seen that the first round picks would have been great, you get rid of players off the roster, clear up cap room, get picks back and build.  They're going to have to turn over this roster ANYWAY, why didn't he start at the deadline, admit he was wrong and move on?  Instead we get this...mess.

Yup, late first round picks in an extremely shallow draft and cap space for what is probably the worst UFA crop since this style of free agency was introduced into the NHL . . . that's what will turn this team around.

Yeah, hanging onto these guys who've lost game after game in embarrassing fashion is a better strategy.  4 years under Burke and a top 10 pick each year (minus the years we traded away our first round picks).  Onward and upward!
 
bustaheims said:
Zee said:
This is what bothers me.  Leafs are always paying for Burke's mistakes and stupid moves.  Anyone could have seen that the first round picks would have been great, you get rid of players off the roster, clear up cap room, get picks back and build.  They're going to have to turn over this roster ANYWAY, why didn't he start at the deadline, admit he was wrong and move on?  Instead we get this...mess.

Yup, late first round picks in an extremely shallow draft and cap space for what is probably the worst UFA crop since this style of free agency was introduced into the NHL . . . that's what will turn this team around.

Bundled for lottery pick, yes, they sure would have been a start.  You sure can't even try for it if you don't have some 1sts in your quiver.
 
Not that I want to wade into this too much but are we even entirely sure about those offers of first round picks and who they were for? I've heard a lot of speculation but nothing close to specifics.
 

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