Zaitsev and Brown traded to Ottawa

[Highlander]

I think what we are forgetting is we want D men who can move the puck quickly. Not panic in the D zone, make a first crisp pass or rush the puck into he O zone where they can make offence happen.  Not that I hated the Z but he was not the guy we hoped he would be . Hope to exploit him in Ottawa.

 

[Kin]

Maybe I?m slow but why would Toronto have to ?sweeten? this deal?

Because of Zaitsev's contract and the Leafs' desire to get out of it.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Could see Brown as the sweetener. Clears up some space.

 

[lamajama]

Maybe I?m slow but why would Toronto have to ?sweeten? this deal?

Because of Zaitsev's contract and the Leafs' desire to get out of it.

I?m also slow...as I understand it, this next year is the issue so if that is indeed the case, how does simply being able to be rid of the dollars after next season help this season? Other than as stated being out from Zaitsev long contract is good I am befuddled....not the first time nor the last. I also wonder and I guess can assume that there was simply no ability to make at least a little bit of a hockey deal.

 

[ZBBM]

Maybe I?m slow but why would Toronto have to ?sweeten? this deal?

Because of Zaitsev's contract and the Leafs' desire to get out of it.

I?m also slow...as I understand it, this next year is the issue so if that is indeed the case, how does simply being able to be rid of the dollars after next season help this season? Other than as stated being out from Zaitsev long contract is good I am befuddled....not the first time nor the last. I also wonder and I guess can assume that there was simply no ability to make at least a little bit of a hockey deal.

You're not the only one.  There seem to be a lot of moving parts here in terms of Ceci and arbitration (PPP has an article explaining), though we don't yet know what else is in the deal.

 

[WAYNEINIONA]

Maybe I?m slow but why would Toronto have to ?sweeten? this deal?

Because of Zaitsev's contract and the Leafs' desire to get out of it.

I?m also slow...as I understand it, this next year is the issue so if that is indeed the case, how does simply being able to be rid of the dollars after next season help this season? Other than as stated being out from Zaitsev long contract is good I am befuddled....not the first time nor the last. I also wonder and I guess can assume that there was simply no ability to make at least a little bit of a hockey deal.

They have been trying for a month. Maybe they realize that this is as good a deal as they will get.

 

[herman]

I?m okay with this.

 

[Deebo]

Maybe I?m slow but why would Toronto have to ?sweeten? this deal?

Because of Zaitsev's contract and the Leafs' desire to get out of it.

I?m also slow...as I understand it, this next year is the issue so if that is indeed the case, how does simply being able to be rid of the dollars after next season help this season? Other than as stated being out from Zaitsev long contract is good I am befuddled....not the first time nor the last. I also wonder and I guess can assume that there was simply no ability to make at least a little bit of a hockey deal.

Future years are an issue too because the cap hasn't really been going up that quickly lately and Rielly, Dermott and maybe Muzzin if they decide to keep him are going to need raises in the next few years so getting out from Zaitsev's long term money would help with that.

 

[ZBBM]

I?m okay with this.

But how do you know until we find out what else it's costing us?

 

[herman]

I?m okay with this.

But how do you know until we find out what else it's costing us?

Freeing up 4.5M from our cap for this and next season will be huge. Unless you think they?re sweetening the pot with a core player (haha), there is no real downside.

If the sweetener is indeed Brown, that?s 6.6M freed up, where Ottawa only needs to cover 3.1M in salary this season after we pay signing bonuses.

 

[herman]

Earl might be on to something in this thread
https://twitter.com/earlschwartz27/status/1145170902809796608

 

[Guilt Trip]

I?m okay with this.

But how do you know until we find out what else it's costing us?

Freeing up 4.5M from our cap for this and next season will be huge. Unless you think they?re sweetening the pot with a core player (haha), there is no real downside.

If the sweetener is indeed Brown, that?s 6.6M freed up, where Ottawa only needs to cover 3.1M in salary this season after we pay signing bonuses.

Potentially freeing up space if they dont sign Ceci. Zaitsev is ok but 5 more years at 4.5? No thanks. Adding Brown gains us 1.2 give or take. I don't know how well Ceci will do here if the Leafs sign him but again its another necessary move to rid the team of bad contracts. As for who's better, I dont know. Colaiacavo loves it so all good with me.

 

[princedpw]

Earl might be on to something in this thread
https://twitter.com/earlschwartz27/status/1145170902809796608

What is this guy saying?  I can?t really follow it.  Get weaker one year and then stronger the next??  Given how much luck is involved in hockey, being strong in one year doesn?t hold a lot of value. Better to be continuously good for many years.

 

[princedpw]

I?m okay with this.

But how do you know until we find out what else it's costing us?

Freeing up 4.5M from our cap for this and next season will be huge. Unless you think they?re sweetening the pot with a core player (haha), there is no real downside.

If the sweetener is indeed Brown, that?s 6.6M freed up, where Ottawa only needs to cover 3.1M in salary this season after we pay signing bonuses.

How do we know he won?t accept his QO?  People don?t seem to think he?ll get more on the UFA market???

 

[Kin]

What is this guy saying?  I can?t really follow it.  Get weaker one year and then stronger the next??  Given how much luck is involved in hockey, being strong in one year doesn?t hold a lot of value. Better to be continuously good for many years.

I think the idea is not to rush into a bad decision just for the sake of not experiencing a bit of a come down. If they save cap space rather than just signing the best available guy this year to a multi-year deal they could have a lot of money to offer some of the bigger defensemen who'll be available next off-season.

 

[Kin]

How do we know he won?t accept his QO?  People don?t seem to think he?ll get more on the UFA market???

I don't know the ins and outs of trading guys who've signed QO's but I think the idea is that Ceci would be a lot easier to move in a deal where you wouldn't have to eat money or throw anything in.

 

[Bill_Berg]

What is this guy saying?  I can?t really follow it.  Get weaker one year and then stronger the next??  Given how much luck is involved in hockey, being strong in one year doesn?t hold a lot of value. Better to be continuously good for many years.

I think the idea is not to rush into a bad decision just for the sake of not experiencing a bit of a come down. If they save cap space rather than just signing the best available guy this year to a multi-year deal they could have a lot of money to offer some of the bigger defensemen who'll be available next off-season.

If said defensemen don't re-sign before reaching the UFA market, which seems to be the trend. Not that I disagree with looking at the longer term picture in general. Sandin and Liljegren may be hits by 2020-21 too.

 

[Kin]

If said defensemen don't re-sign before reaching the UFA market, which seems to be the trend. Not that I disagree with looking at the longer term picture in general. Sandin and Liljegren may be hits by 2020-21 too.

Yeah, but that's why he also makes the point that if you can't land someone like that via free agency you'd still be in a really good deadline position to add a major piece as a rental.

 

[Zee]

I wonder what the tentative part of this deal is? McKenzie said it could fall apart--based on what? If the teams agreed to a deal what changes between now and Monday?

 

[herman]

I wonder what the tentative part of this deal is? McKenzie said it could fall apart--based on what? If the teams agreed to a deal what changes between now and Monday?

A better offer for any of the pieces in play.