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2011-2012 NHL Thread

Tigger said:
The 'mistake', if you will, was made by the refs, if they'd given Lucic a major and a game misconduct for charging the league could have suspended him but he only received a minor.
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Sorry, but, that's complete bullhonkery. If the league couldn't suspend him, he would not have had a hearing today. He did, and, as such, the league was perfectly able to suspend him. Obviously, they decided the hit was not a suspendible offence.

Tigger said:
I don't think it's completely clear that Lucic targeted Millers head, fwiw, Milan made no attempt on the puck and hit him high so I don't like the play but what's the league supposed to do?
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Also bullhonkery. Lucic was chasing a loose puck, which he was making a beeline towards until Miller swept it away when Lucic was maybe 5-8 feet away from making contact with him. He was in the process of trying to play the puck, and when Miller swept it away, he didn't have enough time to adjust his path enough to make a play on where Miller sent the puck. I don't like the play either, but, to say Lucic made no attempt on the puck is just ignoring how things actually happened.

Tigger said:
The 'automatic' fine is a joke too, $100? Really?
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This part I'll agree with you on. The way the NHL assigns fines is ridiculous and meaningless. Maximum fine of $2500? Absurd.
 
Floyd said:
Tigger said:
The 'mistake', if you will, was made by the refs, if they'd given Lucic a major and a game misconduct for charging the league could have suspended him but he only received a minor.

I don't think it's completely clear that Lucic targeted Millers head, fwiw, Milan made no attempt on the puck and hit him high so I don't like the play but what's the league supposed to do?

The 'automatic' fine is a joke too, $100? Really?
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That's like a $1.50 (or somethig like that) fo me  :o ... Yeah, what a joke. Welcome back by the way.
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Yeah, I don't understand how it's supposed to be meaningful.

Thanks, it was a rough couple weeks. Grandpa died on the 28th, my daughter was pretty distraught over it ( as was I ) especially leading up to Remembrance Day ( which was their special day, he was a ww2 vet and she was so proud of him ) I thought I had shaken it off but I was pretty crusty, sorry to those I may have been offhand or otherwise mean to/with, unfair.
 
Busta Reims said:
Tigger said:
The 'mistake', if you will, was made by the refs, if they'd given Lucic a major and a game misconduct for charging the league could have suspended him but he only received a minor.
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Sorry, but, that's complete bullhonkery. If the league couldn't suspend him, he would not have had a hearing today. He did, and, as such, the league was perfectly able to suspend him. Obviously, they decided the hit was not a suspendible offence.
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I got 'fouled up' (har har) reading their rules, I misinterpreted between 42.5 and 42.6, my bad.

Tigger said:
Busta Reims said:
I don't think it's completely clear that Lucic targeted Millers head, fwiw, Milan made no attempt on the puck and hit him high so I don't like the play but what's the league supposed to do?
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Also bullhonkery. Lucic was chasing a loose puck, which he was making a beeline towards until Miller swept it away when Lucic was maybe 5-8 feet away from making contact with him. He was in the process of trying to play the puck, and when Miller swept it away, he didn't have enough time to adjust his path enough to make a play on where Miller sent the puck. I don't like the play either, but, to say Lucic made no attempt on the puck is just ignoring how things actually happened.
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I disagree with you 100% here. When Miller played the puck Lucic made no attempt to block it, turn or pursue the puck from what I've seen, instead he started to glide, raised his arms and hit Miller. He made no attempt to avoid him when he clearly could have, at a minimum, mitigated his actions.

It was a fast play but Lucic knew he wasn't getting to the puck first and decided to hit him instead of stick check for the puck or change his angle at all to reflect the new direction of play. I imagine that's why the league had a look at it.
 
Bah, goalies should be fair game whenever they leave the crease.  It irritates me whenever a goalie goes out to play the puck, and uses his body to protect it knowing no one is allowed to touch them.  Players are constantly trying to jump out of the way of goalies.

Maybe Lucic leaned into the hit a little more than you'd like, but that was two players chasing a loose puck.  Lucic can either collide with Miller, or veer off and just let him play it.

Plus, the Sabres are a bunch of whiny chuds.
 
Potvin29 said:
FWIW, Highsticky McPerfecthair thinks Shanahan should have done something.

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=380468
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To be fair, if anyone is an expert in missed calls, it's Fraser...
 
From that article...

"However, incidental contact, at the discretion of the referee, will be permitted when the goalkeeper is in the act of playing the puck outside his goal crease provided the attacking player has made a reasonable effort to avoid such contact."

This is where it's discretionary I guess, what's a reasonable effort? Not enough of one to avoid a minor but enough to avoid a major or more. I didn't see any effort frankly.

Funny, Lucic pretty much said anyone who did that to Thomas would have got a beating...
 
From:  http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Shanahan-on-Lucic-ruling-slams-Buffalo-8217-s-;_ylt=AgRHpB1wFEFFkIuuw2UrpLUJfwM6?urn=nhl-wp17424

Shanhan's interpretation of Lucic's hit on Miller, and chiding the Sabres at the same time for suggesting Lucic be suspended,etc.:

- Brendan Shanahan called the Buffalo Sabres "completely irresponsible" for suggesting it is "open season on goalies" because of his decision not to suspend the Boston Bruins' Milan Lucic, and he issued a warning -- well aware that the Sabres host the Bruins next Wednesday night.

"You run a goalie, you're going to find yourself in the same situation Lucic was today," said Shanahan, the NHL's senior vice president of player safety and hockey operations, as he walked into the Hockey Hall of Fame induction ceremony Monday night. "You're going to have to explain yourself, and if you don't explain it sufficiently and if I don't buy it, you're going to be suspended."

Before Shanahan reached his decision, Sabres coach Lindy Ruff said if Lucic wasn't suspended that meant it was "fair game on goaltenders."

"Their goaltender can play the puck; we can run him over," Ruff told reporters. "We can hurt him, and all you get is a two-minute minor penalty. That's essentially what that means. You can concuss the other team's goaltender. You can run him going at whatever speed he was going. He made no attempt to get out of the way."

...and on the Lucic hit....

Shanahan noted that Lucic popped his head up at the red line, when Miller was still in the crease, and Lucic didn't stop skating until he reached the top of the circle.

"There's a very short distance for him to close on Miller at that point, and so I felt up until that moment it's reasonable that he really felt that this was a potential breakaway," Shanahan said.

Shanahan also pointed out that Lucic didn't veer into Miller, didn't raise a forearm or an elbow, and didn't hit him in the head. The hit was shoulder-to-shoulder. Shanahan added that he didn't think there was "any reasonable expectation on that collision that there's necessarily going to be an injury to that degree."

It's up to the GMs to decide whether the NHL should treat goaltenders as the NFL does quarterbacks.

"I'm not a policy-maker, but I'm a policy-enforcer," Shanahan said.

"If I felt there was intent on Lucic's part to injure ? Like I said, if I saw an arm flare out, an elbow flare out or his path deviate in any way toward Miller -- leaving his feet, targeting the head, none of which was present -- I would have considered that intent," Shanahan said.


 
So Shanahan's argument for why he didn't suspend Lucic was that he wasn't looking where he was going.  Interesting.  I guess Dupuis shouldn't have recieved that 4 minutes for high-sticking because he wasn't looking where he was going.
 
So I see that the Flyers-Jets game should be on CBC and I turn it on...apparently the feed is down and the guys (McLean, Stock, Healy, Hrudey) are just jibber-jabbering to fill the air?  It's been going on for what seems like forever.
 
“(In) 22 years they are the most arrogant team I played against and the most hated team I’ve ever played against,I couldn’t believe their antics, their falling and diving.” - Mark Recchi
 
Watching the Oilers tool up the Blackhawks right now. 5-1 in the first period. There's a ton of young talent on this Oiler team.
 
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