2011 Blue Jays/MLB Thread

[Peter D.]

Pretty good call to end the Pirates/Braves game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_o4LHIQs-0

What makes it worse is that the ump non-chalantly calls him safe before he even touched the plate, and when he finally did touch the plate, he wasn't even looking at it.

Just a horrendous call for a Pirates team fighting tooth and nail for the division.  Chalk up another argument for instant replay.

Speaking of which, umpires went to instant replay in a game I can't remember on a home run call and ruled it one when it was clearly not.  Yikes.

 

[Derk]

I was going to say who was going to replace all the blown saves, but I guess most of those guys will still be around.

 

[donkeyy0]

bunch of ppl on TMLfans saying the trade for Rasmus will have Jackson, Dotel, and Zep going the other way. Dunno who Joe Strauss is but that's the source they're citing.

I like those folk at TMLfans. They tend to have their ducks in a row.

Meant HF. My mistake hahah

 

[Kin]

Joe Strauss, Beat writer for the cards posts:

Trade of Rasmus to Toronto imminent for Jackson, Dotel, Rzepczynski. More @stltoday.

Not bad. I'm fine with getting rid of most of the chuckleheads in the bullpen. Still don't love Stewart being thrown into the deal. He struck me as a guy who had a bright future.

 

[donkeyy0]

If this trade is true though...who's gonna come out of the pen? Just send out Rauch and Francisco every freakin day?

 

[bustaheims]

I can live with that...however Frasor +Rzep + Dotel = the only half-decent relievers in the bullpen are gone and all of the crap is still there.

Yeah, but, Rzep is the only one that would likely have been around next season, so, it's no big loss.

 

[L K]

I can live with that...however Frasor +Rzep + Dotel = the only half-decent relievers in the bullpen are gone and all of the crap is still there.

Yeah, but, Rzep is the only one that would likely have been around next season, so, it's no big loss.

Absolutely, although I wouldn't have been upset if Frasor was back for another season.  He's been solid and consistent over most of his Blue Jays tenure when not in a closer role.    Dotel isn't a loss, but I just look at the horrid bullpen and now we are going to see Rauch, Francisco, and the other garbage on a nightly basis now.

 

[Deebo]

I can live with that...however Frasor +Rzep + Dotel = the only half-decent relievers in the bullpen are gone and all of the crap is still there.

Yeah, but, Rzep is the only one that would likely have been around next season, so, it's no big loss.

Just the potential sandwich picks from Dotel and Frasor.

 

[maplesyrup]

So if the rumor is true, we deal 4 arms for 2 bats. - The one bat clearly being the best single asset in the deal. I wonder if AA tries to replace an arm or two.

Edit: Make that 5 arms.

 

[Erndog]

That's a heck of a good deal for the Jays.

Colby is still only 24 years old and has a very high ceiling.  His potential is almost through the roof. 

The Jays lost nothing of real significance, and nothing really beyond this year and added an everyday player with potential of a .850-.900 Gold glove, 30 home runs, and solid D.

Cards got a good haul for 1 year sure but come next year this will look like a terrible deal for them (assuming of course Edwin and Dotel leave).

 

[Kin]

Worth mentioning, I suppose, that in '09 BA had Rasmus rated as the #3 prospect in all of baseball.

 

[bustaheims]

Cards got a good haul for 1 year sure but come next year this will look like a terrible deal for them (assuming of course Edwin and Dotel leave).

Well, they would still potentially end up with a couple sandwich picks to help rebuild what is currently a poor farm system (ranked 24th in the league by Baseball America), so, there's some long-term potential for them, but, if this deal doesn't help them wrap up the division and may be even make it out of the first round of the playoffs, it's not going to look great for them in the short-term.

 

[Erndog]

Worth mentioning, I suppose, that in '09 BA had Rasmus rated as the #3 prospect in all of baseball.

He's someone I was really interested in because our centerfield position sucks. 

He's a very talented guy.  Might not be all there between the ears but there is no doubt he has untapped potential.  He could be one of the better centerfielders in the game for a long, long time.  He is not a stop gap solution by any means.

Also worth mentioning is that, does this mean the Jays have effectively 'given up' on Gose?  I didn't like that deal when they made it, I think it looks worse now.

 

[Kin]

He's someone I was really interested in because our centerfield position sucks. 

He's a very talented guy.  Might not be all there between the ears but there is no doubt he has untapped potential.  He could be one of the better centerfielders in the game for a long, long time.  He is not a stop gap solution by any means.

Also worth mentioning is that, does this mean the Jays have effectively 'given up' on Gose?  I didn't like that deal when they made it, I think it looks worse now.

Not necessarily. By most accounts Gose's strength is his defense and Rasmus doesn't have great defensive numbers. If Gose still progresses he may find himself in CF with Rasmus in a corner.

Or, worst comes to worst, Gose is a valuable trade chip to go find some pitching.

 

[bustaheims]

Also worth mentioning is that, does this mean the Jays have effectively 'given up' on Gose?  I didn't like that deal when they made it, I think it looks worse now.

Hardly. Gose is still at least a couple seasons away from making the bigs and there's also a good chance Rasmus ends up being moved to a corner outfield position, as his defence isn't great in CF. It also means that, 2 or 3 years from now, when Rasmus is approaching free agency and looking for big bucks, the Jays could deal him and have his replacement in house already.

 

[maplesyrup]

Worth mentioning, I suppose, that in '09 BA had Rasmus rated as the #3 prospect in all of baseball.

He's someone I was really interested in because our centerfield position sucks. 

He's a very talented guy.  Might not be all there between the ears but there is no doubt he has untapped potential.  He could be one of the better centerfielders in the game for a long, long time.  He is not a stop gap solution by any means.

Also worth mentioning is that, does this mean the Jays have effectively 'given up' on Gose?  I didn't like that deal when they made it, I think it looks worse now.

Gose is at least 2 years away so no, I doubt they've given up on him. When you said, "might not be all there between the ears but there is no doubt he has untapped potential" it reminded me of the Escobar trade. 

 

[Deebo]

Wilnerness590Mike Wilner

#Jays fans exult! @Buster_ESPN: The trade: Rasmus, Trever Miller, Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Zep, Dotel and Patterson #bluejays

 

[maplesyrup]

Wilnerness590Mike Wilner

#Jays fans exult! @Buster_ESPN: The trade: Rasmus, Trever Miller, Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Zep, Dotel and Patterson #bluejays

Tallet is back? I quit baseball. 

 

[L K]

Wilnerness590Mike Wilner

#Jays fans exult! @Buster_ESPN: The trade: Rasmus, Trever Miller, Tallet and P.J. Walters for Jackson, Zep, Dotel and Patterson #bluejays

So garbage position player out, horrendous bullpen in.

 

[Erndog]

Worth mentioning, I suppose, that in '09 BA had Rasmus rated as the #3 prospect in all of baseball.

He's someone I was really interested in because our centerfield position sucks. 

He's a very talented guy.  Might not be all there between the ears but there is no doubt he has untapped potential.  He could be one of the better centerfielders in the game for a long, long time.  He is not a stop gap solution by any means.

Also worth mentioning is that, does this mean the Jays have effectively 'given up' on Gose?  I didn't like that deal when they made it, I think it looks worse now.

Gose is at least 2 years away so no, I doubt they've given up on him. When you said, "might not be all there between the ears but there is no doubt he has untapped potential" it reminded me of the Escobar trade. 

You're welcome for that one btw.