2011 Blue Jays/MLB Thread

[Kin]

I'm not familiar with the development of starting pitching, are there many significant starters who were still at the AA level at 24?

Sure. Roy Halladay spent some time in AA at 24.

 

[maplesyrup]

Some talk that it's Gose going with Jackson for Rasmus, someone on HF says ESPN's Olney is reporting that.

I can't find that online anywhere though.

Ouch. I hope not. Gose + Stewart?  :-\

 

[Derk]

Pretty good call to end the Pirates/Braves game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_o4LHIQs-0

Ouch.

That was closer than the announcer made it to be - that tag was very light.

 

[bustaheims]

Some talk that it's Gose going with Jackson for Rasmus, someone on HF says ESPN's Olney is reporting that.

I can't find that online anywhere though.

If that's true, the deal would boil down to Rasmus and Teahen for Frasor, Stewart and Gose? Not terrible, I guess . . . assuming Rasmus can turn things around and his off-field issues don't affect the locker-room. I'd prefer it were someone less valuable to the Jays than Gose, though.

 

[maplesyrup]

Some talk that it's Gose going with Jackson for Rasmus, someone on HF says ESPN's Olney is reporting that.

I can't find that online anywhere though.

If that's true, the deal would boil down to Rasmus and Teahen for Frasor, Stewart and Gose? Not terrible, I guess . . . assuming Rasmus can turn things around and his off-field issues don't affect the locker-room. I'd prefer it were someone less valuable to the Jays than Gose, though.

I'd rather part with Thames than Gose.

 

[bustaheims]

Ouch.

That was closer than the announcer made it to be - that tag was very light.

Was it?

 

[Deebo]

Some talk that it's Gose going with Jackson for Rasmus, someone on HF says ESPN's Olney is reporting that.

I can't find that online anywhere though.

If that's true, the deal would boil down to Rasmus and Teahen for Frasor, Stewart and Gose? Not terrible, I guess . . . assuming Rasmus can turn things around and his off-field issues don't affect the locker-room. I'd prefer it were someone less valuable to the Jays than Gose, though.

And I also read another reliever to STL, Rauch maybe.

 

[Derk]

Ouch.

That was closer than the announcer made it to be - that tag was very light.

Was it?

You can see in the replay that his pant leg moved (was tagged), but from that angle and the way the glove followed through somewhat unimpeded, I can see why he may have thought the tag missed.

 

[L K]

Pretty good call to end the Pirates/Braves game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_o4LHIQs-0

That's beyond embarrassing.  I don't understand how he rationalized that he was safe.  It's not even controversial, it's incompetence.  I'm not buying that there is any doubt of that tag, and quite frankly, the ball was there early, it wasn't like Lugo made a dive low to the ground where it would be difficult for the tag to be applied, it's bad positioning from the umpire and an arrogance that he's absolutely got the call.  The catcher brought the ball up and away from the play because he made the tag and didn't want the ball coming out in a collision.

 

[bustaheims]

You can see in the replay that his pant leg moved (was tagged), but from that angle and the way the glove followed through somewhat unimpeded, I can see why he may have thought the tag missed.

I don't know. With the way the catcher's arm pretty much came up along Lugo's body as he popped up and the way Lugo reacted as if he knew the tag made contact and that he was out, I'd say the only person involved who didn't clearly know the tag was good was the ump.

 

[Deebo]

Joe Strauss, Beat writer for the cards posts:

Trade of Rasmus to Toronto imminent for Jackson, Dotel, Rzepczynski. More @stltoday.

 

[donkeyy0]

bunch of ppl on TMLfans saying the trade for Rasmus will have Jackson, Dotel, and Zep going the other way. Dunno who Joe Strauss is but that's the source they're citing.

 

[bustaheims]

And I also read another reliever to STL, Rauch maybe.

Some rumblings coming out of St Louis that the deal is Rasmus for Jackson, Dotel and Rzep.

 

[maplesyrup]

Video review in cases like this would be nice. In fact, I say bring in instant replay for everything but balls and strikes.

 

[Kin]

I think it was a blown call obviously but I see how it was made. Solid contact wasn't made with any part of Lugo's body and there's no movement in the glove to indicate a tag. I think it's pretty clear that the tag was made on the pants but the catcher really should have made a more solid tag.

 

[maplesyrup]

And I also read another reliever to STL, Rauch maybe.

Some rumblings coming out of St Louis that the deal is Rasmus for Jackson, Dotel and Rzep.

That would be fine.

 

[Derk]

You can see in the replay that his pant leg moved (was tagged), but from that angle and the way the glove followed through somewhat unimpeded, I can see why he may have thought the tag missed.

I don't know. With the way the catcher's arm pretty much came up along Lugo's body as he popped up and the way Lugo reacted as if he knew the tag made contact and that he was out, I'd say the only person involved who didn't clearly know the tag was good was the ump.

I agree with all of that and think he was obviously out. But after watching it a few times, I can see why he got it wrong.

 

[Deebo]

bunch of ppl on TMLfans saying the trade for Rasmus will have Jackson, Dotel, and Zep going the other way. Dunno who Joe Strauss is but that's the source they're citing.

Joe Strauss is the Cardinals beat reporter @ stltoday.com

 

[Kin]

bunch of ppl on TMLfans saying the trade for Rasmus will have Jackson, Dotel, and Zep going the other way. Dunno who Joe Strauss is but that's the source they're citing.

I like those folk at TMLfans. They tend to have their ducks in a row.

 

[L K]

And I also read another reliever to STL, Rauch maybe.

Some rumblings coming out of St Louis that the deal is Rasmus for Jackson, Dotel and Rzep.

I can live with that...however Frasor +Rzep + Dotel = the only half-decent relievers in the bullpen are gone and all of the crap is still there.