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2011 NFL thread

Yeah got it. Looks like I'm going to see Kansas City Chiefs at New Orleans Saints in September :D
 
So very angry that a team like Washington will draft RG3 and my Niners are stuck with Alex Smith.
 
mc said:
So very angry that a team like Washington will draft RG3 and my Niners are stuck with Alex Smith.
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Your Niners have a first rate defence and Washington better prey RG3 plays like a top 5 QB in the league for many years to come for the price they paid to acquire him. It also don't help that Goodell put them in cap hell for the next year or two. As a Niner fan, I think you're in a happier place.
 
mc, I'll trade my (the Cowboys) #14 for your #30, #61 this year, and an additional 3rd round pick next year. There's speculation Tannehill could be available @ 14 and if he is, we should talk.  ;)  A lot of folks fearing the 3 guys we are rumoured to be heavy on could be gone. There's a couple players I like at the back end of the first round. - I might then package your #61 and my #45 to get back in to the first round.
 
So, the 'Skins trade three firsts and a second for a QB who stands a decent chance of being a pro bowl player and the 'Boys trade one first and a second for a CB (the highest rated defensive player in the draft BTW) who stands at least as good of a chance (as I understand it) to be a pro bowl player... In large by spending good chunks of his career picking off the aforementioned QB. - I'm down.  :)
 
Sarge said:
So, the 'Skins trade three firsts and a second for a QB who stands a decent chance of being a pro bowl player and the 'Boys trade one first and a second for a CB (the highest rated defensive player in the draft BTW) who stands at least as good of a chance (as I understand it) to be a pro bowl player... In large by spending good chunks of his career picking off the aforementioned QB. - I'm down.  :)
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I think it's pretty noteworthy that the Bucs, who had a real need at CB, decided to trade down and not take him. He's a very good cover CB but he's not super physical and seems like a bit of a reach. I don't know who you're referring to when you say someone had him as the highest rated defender but I think that's more a statement on how the draft lacked really high end defensive talent.
 
Nik? said:
I think it's pretty noteworthy that the Bucs, who had a real need at CB, decided to trade down and not take him. He's a very good cover CB but he's not super physical and seems like a bit of a reach. I don't know who you're referring to when you say someone had him as the highest rated defender but I think that's more a statement on how the draft lacked really high end defensive talent.
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The Bucks also has a needed at safety, got the best one in the draft,  and got an additional pick in the process. - And it's not just "someone" saying Claiborne was the highest rated defender, it's just about "everyone." Seriously, it's pretty much the consensus. The skinny on him is that he's not as physical as Peterson but is more of a ball hawk and is more refined technically. - Haters goona hate I suppose but colour me thrilled. 
 
Sarge said:
The Bucks also has a needed at safety, got the best one in the draft,  and got an additional pick in the process.
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But that's my point. The Bucs trading down, I think, says something pretty convincing about the kind of player Claiborne is and his relative worth compared to a guy like Barron who was thought by most to go 10-15. If Claiborne was a real game changer or impact defender then it doesn't make any sense for the Bucs to do what they did.
 
I don't know Nik, your comments here strike me here as someone who really hasn't been paying attention here. There has been for a long time in this draft 6 "can't miss prospects" with Claiborne being one of them. Nobody had Claiborne past 6 in their mocks, with the range being 3-5. It was a position of need for my team and it only cost a second to flip the pick. Me.Happy.
 
Sarge said:
I don't know Nik, your comments here strike me here as someone who really hasn't been paying attention here.
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Your comments strike me as those of someone who's read a bunch of mock drafts and not really watched a lot of Morris Claiborne actually play football.
 
I admit. I spent the majority of my research time on reports and videos of players who actually visited the Cowboys and who could have been available @14 (or lower.) It wasn't until we made the pick that I started to educate myself more on him. Nobody had any idea the Cowboys were going to make a pitch to get into the top 6. It was a complete shock, even to Claiborne who said the Cowboys didn't even talk to him prior to when his name was called.
 
Sarge said:
I admit. I spent the majority of my research time on reports and videos on players on players who actually visited the Cowboys and who could have been available @14 (or lower.) It wasn't until we made the pick that I started to educate myself more on him. Nobody had any idea the Cowboys were going to make a pitch to get into the top 6. It was a complete shock, even to Claiborne who said the Cowboys didn't even talk to him prior to when his name was called.
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Well, it's a good idea to remember that a lot of NFL draft analysts make their living in part by hyping the draft. I think the willingness to trade down by all parties here is in large part because it's just not a great draft. Claiborne's a good player but I don't think there's a ton of difference between him and Kirkpatrick.
 
I thought Denver might have gone after Kirkpatrick and I would've been happy with that from what I hear about him. Only red flag is, he didn't have a single interception last year. Poor luck or did teams just not throw his way?
 
Bonsixx said:
I thought Denver might have gone after Kirkpatrick and I would've been happy with that from what I hear about him. Only red flag is, he didn't have a single interception last year. Poor luck or did teams just not throw his way?
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I think it's more a comment on Alabama in general. Between Kirkpatrick and Barron and Hightower there was a ton of talent who could defend the pass so teams tended to favour the run in general as opposed to shying away from Kirkpatrick specifically.

That said Kirkpatrick isn't the ballhawk Claiborne is. Better size though.
 
Nik? said:
Well, it's a good idea to remember that a lot of NFL draft analysts make their living in part by hyping the draft. I think the willingness to trade down by all parties here is in large part because it's just not a great draft. Claiborne's a good player but I don't think there's a ton of difference between him and Kirkpatrick.
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I typed "on player" there  - twice where I should have just said "of players" there.  :-[ Please pardon the bad grammar there - I fixed it. Anyway, consider me caught up in the Claiborne "hype" then. There's a ton of it.
 
Sarge said:
I typed "on player" there  - twice where I should have just said "of players" there.  :-[ Please pardon the bad grammar there - I fixed it. Anyway, consider me caught up in the Claiborne "hype" then. There's a ton of it.
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Up  to you. I'm just speaking as someone who saw him play. I think he's got the potential to be a good player but I think the fact that he's the #1 defender chosen says more about the quality of the draft then the quality of Claiborne. Personally I'd rather have Kirkpatrick and a receiver with that 2nd rounder.
 
Nik? said:
Up  to you. I'm just speaking as someone who saw him play. I think he's got the potential to be a good player but I think the fact that he's the #1 defender chosen says more about the quality of the draft then the quality of Claiborne. Personally I'd rather have Kirkpatrick and a receiver with that 2nd rounder.
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I was actually convinced it was going to be one of G DeCastro, S Barron, or DT Brockers.  I'd have been thrilled with one of those three plus whatever in in the second round too but when Claiborne fell out of the top 5, I think he was just too juicy to pass up. One also has to consider the other teams in the NFC East. There's some great QBs and receivers there and I think it's prudent to get the best corners to counter. An elite backfield also sets up the pass rush and as a Jets fan you know is all part in parcel of a Ryan defence. 
 
... and CANADIAN DE Tryone Crawford goes to the 'Boys in the 3rd round. Can't say I know a lick about him but hey, Cooo-loo-coo-coo, coo-loo-coo-cooooo!
 
Sarge said:
... and CANADIAN DE Tryone Crawford goes to the 'Boys in the 3rd round. Can't say I know a lick about him but hey, Cooo-loo-coo-coo, coo-loo-coo-cooooo!
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Saints just drafted CANADIAN Akiem Hicks from Saskatchewan. Mayock: Very difficult to watch tape on this guy as I don't understand the Canadian rules..but he is a HUGE man and I watched him in the East -West game..lol 
 
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