2011 Toronto Raptors/NBA/Labour Negotiations Spectacular
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Corn Flake
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Nik? said:
and making a lot of noise, as per usual.
#1PilarFan
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The man, the myth, the legend - the Woj.Nik? said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--knicks-emerge-as-frontrunners-to-land-steve-nash.html
Chev-boyar-sky
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Would a high offer to Lin help us get either Nash or Lin?
To come away with only an over-payed Landry seems rather anti-climatic, and quite embarrassing.
To come away with only an over-payed Landry seems rather anti-climatic, and quite embarrassing.
maplesyrup
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So no Nash? Okay, well back to not caring and my regularly scheduled programming I guess.
L K
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I think the notion that Nash signs with Toronto is equally as misguided as "everyone begs Dolan to sign with the Knicks".
Nash is not going to be effective on a team with Carmelo though. There's basically zero point to him bothering to run the ball up the court when Melo's going to stand around for 15 seconds on an ISO.
I think the high profile approach that Colangelo tried to make the signing though has got me leaning towards being done with him. Most of his moves have been bad let alone mediocre and while there is some hope with Val, overpaying Goran Dragic based on half a season doesn't solve the long-term PG problem.
Neither does Nash for that matter, but at least you get 3 years (maybe) of excitement watching him in a Raptors jersey while you try and draft someone to fill the role in 2-3 years.
Nash is not going to be effective on a team with Carmelo though. There's basically zero point to him bothering to run the ball up the court when Melo's going to stand around for 15 seconds on an ISO.
I think the high profile approach that Colangelo tried to make the signing though has got me leaning towards being done with him. Most of his moves have been bad let alone mediocre and while there is some hope with Val, overpaying Goran Dragic based on half a season doesn't solve the long-term PG problem.
Neither does Nash for that matter, but at least you get 3 years (maybe) of excitement watching him in a Raptors jersey while you try and draft someone to fill the role in 2-3 years.
Kin
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L K said:
Yeah, I don't have a problem with anything there. I suppose I have some sympathy for Colangelo in the sense that he definitely gave the Nash thing his best shot. He made the most financially lucrative offer, drafted pieces to work with him...and it may not play out that way. It'll suck, and it may be time to let him go, but I think Colangelo was trying to work in a world where teams are being built by free agency and a team that has a ton of trouble attracting free agents.
No Nash? Eff it. Let's tank for Andrew Wiggins.
Kin
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Chev-boyar-sky said:
Well, by all accounts the offer to Nash is the highest on the table. They could go another year, I guess, but I think Nash only expects to play three years so a fourth year wouldn't mean much.
Lin? Unless James Dolan is out of his mind I think a team could get Lin with a big money backloaded deal. As is they've got over 50 million committed to 3 players for the next 5 or so years. Add 8-10 for Nash and anything for anyone else and a big backloaded deal could kill the Knicks in those later years.
Chev-boyar-sky
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Nik? said:
So maybe this has been a ploy to get Lin all along (okay doubtful but that scenario could prove the ultimate result no?) ?
Give Lin such a contract and dare the Knicks to match. Lin's good enough and young enough, no? I mean Nash would be cool for 3 years but Lin would actually help the team long term I'd think.
If Colangelo could be gone as a result of losing out on Nash, Lin could be the ultimate consolation prize.
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L K
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Nik? said:
1 - I was promised that he had signed with the Knicks like every other free agent
2 - Interesting move for Nash. Not sure he makes them a Championship team again as Kobe showed some real signs of wear and tear last year. I don't begrudge him choosing a legitimate playoff team over the Raptors though
3 - Again, I think this nailed it for me on Colangelo. So much talk and no production. He threw literally everything the team could offer at Nash AND wasted a bunch of cap on a very mediocre player in Fields to try and get Nash and Nash walked away from 8-12 million dollars because he didn't view the Raptors as a legitimate threat of anything. He's been with the Raptors since March of 2006. That's 6 full seasons and he was supposed to turn the Raptors into a destination if not a contender. Instead the Raptors are now likely heading for another non-playoff season in a horrendous conference where sub-500 teams are in playoff contention right up until the final few weeks.
I'd love to say that the team is in line for a top pick again at least but I don't think this is a team capable of 12-18 wins. It's more in the 25-30 win territory that usually has you outside the worst record race.
His free agent record has been bad. His drafting hasn't been as bad but as of yet you really haven't seen him hit a homerun with any of his picks (and now without Nash they drafted a safe player who could hit spot up jumpers rather than drafting for long-term potential). And most of his trades have had him on the losing end of the exchange.
I liked the Casey hire last year. I think that is probably his best move as GM of the team, but from a roster standpoint he has cobbled together a really mediocre roster that really doesn't stand to be anything close to a contender in the next 5 years.
Kin
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L K said:
Well, that's my issue with it though. I mean the Lakers got demolished by the Thunder. Does Steve Nash change that? Russell Westbrook will light them up for 50 a night.
I don't begrudge him the choice either but I don't think he's a ton more likely to win a championship in LA.
L K said:
I'm not going to try to sell you on BC but the talk coming out of this deal is that Nash chose LA in large part because he's staying close to his kids. I don't know how much you can read the Raps future into that.
Kin
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PG said:
I don't know. I think both sides have something going for them. With the Leafs, I mean, at least I have the tradition and the classiness of the uniforms. I get to look forward to things like Mats going into the Hall and I don't have to say I'm a fan of a team named during a really, really stupid fad with terrible uniforms.
On the other hand though...Raptors tickets are readily available so at least it feels as though I'm connected to them. At least with the Raptors I don't feel like a total sucker. And, I mean sure they're a laughingstock but they're not the laughingstock.
I call it a push.
edit: Nah, that's a copout. It's more depressing to be a Leafs fan. At least the Raps still have some scrappy underdogness going for them.