2012 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

[Kin]

How does trading their #2 (or 3) of 15 games won make the Rays better? They got prospects for him.

Well, they still have a ton of really good options for their rotation next year(Price, Moore, Hellickson, Cobb, Odorizzi and so on) and one of the prospects they added is maybe the best hitting prospect in baseball, big league ready  and specifically addresses their biggest need, which is a power hitting outfielder.

 

[Fanatic]

Source: Dickey in agreement with #BlueJays on two-year, $25 million extension that he had requested from #Mets, pending physical.

 

[Fanatic]

#Mets-#BlueJays trade will be official as soon as Dickey passes physical. Contract will extend through '15, almost until his 41st birthday.

 

[Kin]

Source: Dickey in agreement with #BlueJays on two-year, $25 million extension that he had requested from #Mets, pending physical.

So...is this your source?

 

[Fanatic]

Source: Dickey in agreement with #BlueJays on two-year, $25 million extension that he had requested from #Mets, pending physical.

So...is this your source?

I am flattered that you would think so.

Actually the copy and paste did not take as I planned. Both posts were compliments of Ken Rosenthal from Fox Sports

 

[Corn Flake]

Source: Dickey in agreement with #BlueJays on two-year, $25 million extension that he had requested from #Mets, pending physical.

So...is this your source?

I think it was the Ken Rosenthal tweet he pasted.

 

[Andy007]

Richard Griffin also confirmed extension done, which was re-tweeted by Jeff Passan.

 

[#1PilarFan]

They got what might be the best major league ready prospect in baseball, who could significantly upgrade their offence (as well as a highly regarded pitching prospect), while they have more than enough pitching depth to make up for the loss of Shields.

I don't think it's accurate to say the Rays got better next year by dealing for Myers. Yeah, he's a great looking prospect, but Shields is a bigger loss than you are stating and Myers has exactly zero major league at bats. Long term, it's a great move, but relying on Myers to bolster your offense is probably not a great idea.

 

[#1PilarFan]

Do they have a surefire ace? No. Are we sure about the middle of the order? No. Does the team have a great bullpen? Eh.

I don't like this deal much either due to the cost and the fact that I think D'Arnaud and Syndegaard could net pretty much any pitcher on a team looking to make a move, but I don't think you're being fair. That they don't have a surefire ace is a testament to the depth of the rotation. Most other rotations, Dickey or JJ would be your surefire ace. Now we're looking at both and asking ourselves whose better while picking apart their careers.

The bullpen is looking pretty solid, with Santos coming back, Janssen entrenched as closer and a ton of live arms to choose from.

And finally, the offense will probably be one of the better ones in the league. Sure, Encarnacion will regress, but we didn't get the most out of Bautista or (I think) Lawrie last season and Reyes and Cabrera will only help offensively. I mean, AA transformed a middling team (when healthy) to a contender over night. We should be thankful for that. The only problem is that he gutted the farm system to do it and his last move cost an awful lot.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I'm going to go see them when they come to play the Giants, they better give me bragging rights!

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

I don't understand why the Jays didn't go after Marcum hard.

How much is he likely to command 10M a season for 3-5 years?

So the Jays save 5-20M over the length of a deal (speculation on my part of course) at the cost of 2 of their top 3 prospects. Of course they'll likely spend as much later when they need to go to the FA well to pick up D'Arnaud/Sydergaard type replacements.

I don't understand the thinking. I am, however, excited to see Dickey pitch for the Jays for the next 3 years. I've always wanted a good knuckleballer on the team.

 

[Fanatic]

This has likely been covered but I just don't have time to double-check the last 20 pages or so. Please forgive me if it has already been covered, but if everyone is healthy who will be the closer?

 

[bustaheims]

I don't think it's accurate to say the Rays got better next year by dealing for Myers. Yeah, he's a great looking prospect, but Shields is a bigger loss than you are stating and Myers has exactly zero major league at bats. Long term, it's a great move, but relying on Myers to bolster your offense is probably not a great idea.

They still have Price, Niemann, Moore, Hellickson and Cobb in the rotation (as things stand right now) - still one of the best rotations in the bigs. They also added Escobar, which is an upgrade for them. Shields will be a loss, but considering their depth, a fairly small one. They'll miss his innings much more than they'll miss the quality of his performances.

 

[Peter D.]

I'm really torn on this deal.  On one hand, it?s exciting to bring in the reigning NL Cy Young winner, even if he is 38.  He helps solidify the rotation as one of the best in the league.  On the other, two top prospects seems like a hefty price to pay for any 38-year old.  However, I do trust AA?s judgment and perhaps d?Arnaud?s knee injury from last year had him re-evaluating things.  Maybe he feel Syndergaard isn?t all that he's cracked up to be.  AA and the Jays have hoarded prospects for a time like they when they could dip (more like dive) into their prospect pool and tell the baseball world they are ?all in?.

I just wonder if it were better to hold on to the prospects, and sign a Marcum/Lohse who costs nothing, or have Happ as the 5th starter, and then see where the team was come July.  My concern is that if the Jays realize they need that one extra piece come then, they may no longer have the chips to play to make that deal.

I can't help but be this way, but even though I was really excited about d?Arnaud as a Jay, now I wish he turns into a flop.

 

[bustaheims]

This has likely been covered but I just don't have time to double-check the last 20 pages or so. Please forgive me if it has already been covered, but if everyone is healthy who will be the closer?

Probably Janssen, considering the quality of the job he did last season. Santos probably becomes the RH setup guy.

 

[bustaheims]

I guess part of what makes this trade a little easier for the Jays to make than it would be for other teams is the depth they still have in high-end pitching prospects (Sanchez, Norris, Smoral, etc) and the fact that they have a top 10 pick in the 2013 draft.

 

[maplesyrup]

I guess part of what makes this trade a little easier for the Jays to make than it would be for other teams is the depth they still have in high-end pitching prospects (Sanchez, Norris, Smoral, etc) and the fact that they have a top 10 pick in the 2013 draft.

Yeah, they took some fine ingredients out of the cupboard this winter but they certainly didn't empty it. If you're in to prospect porn, there's still pieces there to get happy about.

 

[Corn Flake]

This has likely been covered but I just don't have time to double-check the last 20 pages or so. Please forgive me if it has already been covered, but if everyone is healthy who will be the closer?

Probably Janssen, considering the quality of the job he did last season. Santos probably becomes the RH setup guy.

I really hope the team looks at it this way as well and don't just throw the keys back to Santos the moment he is ready to go. Janssen found his niche last year and was so solid.

 

[Corn Flake]

I guess part of what makes this trade a little easier for the Jays to make than it would be for other teams is the depth they still have in high-end pitching prospects (Sanchez, Norris, Smoral, etc) and the fact that they have a top 10 pick in the 2013 draft.

Yeah, they took some fine ingredients out of the cupboard this winter but they certainly didn't empty it. If you're in to prospect porn, there's still pieces there to get happy about.

Plus Drabek and Hutchinson among others who are right there and will eventually be back pitching at the AAA level and hopefully on the MLB path again. 

 

[Fanatic]

This has likely been covered but I just don't have time to double-check the last 20 pages or so. Please forgive me if it has already been covered, but if everyone is healthy who will be the closer?

Probably Janssen, considering the quality of the job he did last season. Santos probably becomes the RH setup guy.

I really hope the team looks at it this way as well and don't just throw the keys back to Santos the moment he is ready to go. Janssen found his niche last year and was so solid.

Thanks. I am hoping for Janssen as well.