2013-2014 NHL Thread

[Omallley]

At what point can I make JFJ comparisons?

 

[L K]

One of the possible rule changes coming out of the GM meetings is to change the rules when a player gets thrown out of the faceoff circle.  If a guy gets thrown out, instead of kicking him off the draw, he has to line up a foot further back from the circle to give the other team an advantage. 

What a terrible rule.  The refs already take their sweet time and draw 80% of the faceoffs on with their hesitations on the puck drop.  So now because they can't be bothered to drop the puck, teams are going to be punished.  I don't understand why the officials decided to start pull that stuff on faceoffs.

 

[bustaheims]

One of the possible rule changes coming out of the GM meetings is to change the rules when a player gets thrown out of the faceoff circle.  If a guy gets thrown out, instead of kicking him off the draw, he has to line up a foot further back from the circle to give the other team an advantage. 

What a terrible rule.  The refs already take their sweet time and draw 80% of the faceoffs on with their hesitations on the puck drop.  So now because they can't be bothered to drop the puck, teams are going to be punished.  I don't understand why the officials decided to start pull that stuff on faceoffs.

I feel confident in saying that this one won't make it into a single regular season game. I have my doubts it even makes to the point where they try it out in the pre-season.

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

One of the possible rule changes coming out of the GM meetings is to change the rules when a player gets thrown out of the faceoff circle.  If a guy gets thrown out, instead of kicking him off the draw, he has to line up a foot further back from the circle to give the other team an advantage. 

What a terrible rule.  The refs already take their sweet time and draw 80% of the faceoffs on with their hesitations on the puck drop.  So now because they can't be bothered to drop the puck, teams are going to be punished.  I don't understand why the officials decided to start pull that stuff on faceoffs.

I feel confident in saying that this one won't make it into a single regular season game. I have my doubts it even makes to the point where they try it out in the pre-season.

They should totally take a page out of the NBA's book and try jump pucks.  It would encourage more high sticking penalties and pucks batted over the glass, thereby increasing scoring.

 

[hockeyfan1]

One of the possible rule changes coming out of the GM meetings is to change the rules when a player gets thrown out of the faceoff circle.  If a guy gets thrown out, instead of kicking him off the draw, he has to line up a foot further back from the circle to give the other team an advantage. 

What a terrible rule.  The refs already take their sweet time and draw 80% of the faceoffs on with their hesitations on the puck drop.  So now because they can't be bothered to drop the puck, teams are going to be punished.  I don't understand why the officials decided to start pull that stuff on faceoffs.

Laughable rule should it become official, 

 

[TML fan]

One of the possible rule changes coming out of the GM meetings is to change the rules when a player gets thrown out of the faceoff circle.  If a guy gets thrown out, instead of kicking him off the draw, he has to line up a foot further back from the circle to give the other team an advantage. 

What a terrible rule.  The refs already take their sweet time and draw 80% of the faceoffs on with their hesitations on the puck drop.  So now because they can't be bothered to drop the puck, teams are going to be punished.  I don't understand why the officials decided to start pull that stuff on faceoffs.

I feel confident in saying that this one won't make it into a single regular season game. I have my doubts it even makes to the point where they try it out in the pre-season.

Seriously. How about they just drop the puck?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

One of the possible rule changes coming out of the GM meetings is to change the rules when a player gets thrown out of the faceoff circle.  If a guy gets thrown out, instead of kicking him off the draw, he has to line up a foot further back from the circle to give the other team an advantage.

The intent of the rule is to punish players who are intentionally trying to get kicked out of the draw though. All too often after icings a winger will go in to take the draw and blatantly cheat in order to get kicked out. Then he gingerly skates over to the winger spot while the centre takes his time to get ready for the draw. This gives the defensive players on the ice an extra 10-15 seconds to catch their breath. It's basically delaying the game, and I'd love to see it stopped.

So as long as this rule only goes into effect for faceoffs after icings, I'm all for it.

 

[AvroArrow]

One of the possible rule changes coming out of the GM meetings is to change the rules when a player gets thrown out of the faceoff circle.  If a guy gets thrown out, instead of kicking him off the draw, he has to line up a foot further back from the circle to give the other team an advantage.

The intent of the rule is to punish players who are intentionally trying to get kicked out of the draw though. All too often after icings a winger will go in to take the draw and blatantly cheat in order to get kicked out. Then he gingerly skates over to the winger spot while the centre takes his time to get ready for the draw. This gives the defensive players on the ice an extra 10-15 seconds to catch their breath. It's basically delaying the game, and I'd love to see it stopped.

So as long as this rule only goes into effect for faceoffs after icings, I'm all for it.

Why don't they do something smarter, though, like giving a penalty for a 1st faceoff infraction after an icing?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Why don't they do something smarter, though, like giving a penalty for a 1st faceoff infraction after an icing?

That seems like overkill. What if the natural centre comes in to take the draw and he's kicked out because, like others have mentioned, sometimes the linesman kinda just sucks at dropping the puck?

If I was making the rule it would be the 1ft back thing and it's at the refs discretion. It's pretty obvious when a winger comes in with no intention of actually taking the faceoff.

 

[bustaheims]

Why don't they do something smarter, though, like giving a penalty for a 1st faceoff infraction after an icing?

That seems like overkill. What if the natural centre comes in to take the draw and he's kicked out because, like others have mentioned, sometimes the linesman kinda just sucks at dropping the puck?

If I was making the rule it would be the 1ft back thing and it's at the refs discretion. It's pretty obvious when a winger comes in with no intention of actually taking the faceoff.

I think the better solution is to speed up the puck drop. Don't allow the shenanigans that go on after an icing to delay things. If one team isn't set up in time, that's their problem. To solve the winger getting intentionally thrown out thing - make it so after an icing, if the officials deem that one of the players taking the draw had no intention of doing so, don't let the other team replace him. He gets tossed from the draw and the other team gets an uncontested face-off win. That will get rid of it entirely.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I think the better solution is to speed up the puck drop. Don't allow the shenanigans that go on after an icing to delay things. If one team isn't set up in time, that's their problem.

Yeah there's a few things in general the league can do to improve faceoffs. Definitely need to speed them up in general. They did that coming out of the 04/05 lockout but it eventually stopped. And the the linesmen need to be told to just drop the damn puck of course.

To solve the winger getting intentionally thrown out thing - make it so after an icing, if the officials deem that one of the players taking the draw had no intention of doing so, don't let the other team replace him. He gets tossed from the draw and the other team gets an uncontested face-off win. That will get rid of it entirely.

Well that's pretty similar to just having the centre take the draw from a foot back. Either will do. I think as long as there's some rule put in to punish teams that do it coaches will stop using that tactic. I doubt we'd see referees actually have to make this call very often.

 

[L K]

One of the possible rule changes coming out of the GM meetings is to change the rules when a player gets thrown out of the faceoff circle.  If a guy gets thrown out, instead of kicking him off the draw, he has to line up a foot further back from the circle to give the other team an advantage.

The intent of the rule is to punish players who are intentionally trying to get kicked out of the draw though. All too often after icings a winger will go in to take the draw and blatantly cheat in order to get kicked out. Then he gingerly skates over to the winger spot while the centre takes his time to get ready for the draw. This gives the defensive players on the ice an extra 10-15 seconds to catch their breath. It's basically delaying the game, and I'd love to see it stopped.

So as long as this rule only goes into effect for faceoffs after icings, I'm all for it.

I have no doubt that it does happen, but how is this the solution you come to?  Just drop the puck.  Make it 7 seconds after you line up the puck is dropped or something like that.  And if you get thrown out, there is 7 seconds until the puck is dropped whether you are ready or not.  That solves it, not some stupid step back from the line rule.

Honestly, the number of times I have watched a linesman fake the puck drop is absurd.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I have no doubt that it does happen, but how is this the solution you come to?  Just drop the puck.  Make it 7 seconds after you line up the puck is dropped or something like that.  And if you get thrown out, there is 7 seconds until the puck is dropped whether you are ready or not.  That solves it, not some stupid step back from the line rule.

That should be the standard protocol for when somebody gets kicked out of the draw. But there should be a harsher penalty for when somebody intentionally gets kicked out in order to negate the consequences of an icing.

Honestly, the number of times I have watched a linesman fake the puck drop is absurd.

Again, I 100% agree with you on this. But the rule that the NHL is discussing has nothing to do with that.

 

[L K]

I have no doubt that it does happen, but how is this the solution you come to?  Just drop the puck.  Make it 7 seconds after you line up the puck is dropped or something like that.  And if you get thrown out, there is 7 seconds until the puck is dropped whether you are ready or not.  That solves it, not some stupid step back from the line rule.

That should be the standard protocol for when somebody gets kicked out of the draw. But there should be a harsher penalty for when somebody intentionally gets kicked out in order to negate the consequences of an icing.

Honestly, the number of times I have watched a linesman fake the puck drop is absurd.

Again, I 100% agree with you on this. But the rule that the NHL is discussing has nothing to do with that.

I think it does though.  Because a lot of times, the delay on faceoffs is created by the linesman not dropping the puck.  They do it in all situations.  You could easily cut down on those delays by giving a team a warning for doing it once and a penalty for delay of game if it happens a second time.  I think that's actually a warranted thing in the game if guys are trying to avoid the punishment of an icing.

Having the player take a step back doesn't prevent them from doing a big circle and acting outraged before the line up a foot back from the circle.  They can then line up too close and have the linesman make them inch back a little more and delay the puck drop even more.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Having the player take a step back doesn't prevent them from doing a big circle and acting outraged before the line up a foot back from the circle.  They can then line up too close and have the linesman make them inch back a little more and delay the puck drop even more.

No, but in a world where face-offs are essentially a coin-flip it does almost guarantee that the defending team is going to lose the draw. So a coach has to decide, would he rather give his guys an extra 10 second rest but almost certainly start the play without the puck or make his centre be the first guy to take the draw and have a chance at winning it?

In the NHL's eyes, the issue here isn't necessarily that players are taking their sweet time to take faceoffs. It's that teams have found a bit of a loophole to the whole "no change" rule and the NHL wants to close that.

 

[Deebo]

Dreger is reporting that there could be further changes to the draft lottery. If there are to be more changes, I would like to see more than just the first overall selection decided by the lottery. In the NBA, the top 3 selections are determined by the draft lottery.

 

[Chev-boyar-sky]

Dreger is reporting that there could be further changes to the draft lottery. If there are to be more changes, I would like to see more than just the first overall selection decided by the lottery. In the NBA, the top 3 selections are determined by the draft lottery.

So EDM and 2 random teams every year?

 

[tusket]

Just a thought I had...

 

[hockeyfan1]

Update on Peverley...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/stars-peverley-out-for-season-future-uncertain/

 

[CarltonTheBear]

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/how-john-tavares-helped-bullied-11-year-old-fan-from-winnipeg-003814712.html

I know there are bad apples everywhere, but man do I hate Winnipeg Jets fans. Nice ending to the story because of Tavares though.