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2013 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

Nik said:
Mack674 said:
It's just the culture of the sport I suppose. I can't imagine walking into an NFL dressing room and saying "ahh my ankle is a little sore im gonna sit this one out" and trying not to get laughed out of the room for being a pansy.
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And it's precisely that kind of ridiculous macho BS attitude that has led to the terrible and debilitating life of football players after they retire. Maybe you've missed it but ex-football players by the hundreds are now involved in a class action lawsuit against the NFL precisely because the league didn't take proper care of their players and those "minor injuries" that they were "tough enough" to play through and now they're essentially crippled in their 50's and 60's, suffering from dementia and dying at an alarming rate.
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Millions of dollars to play sports. Zero sympathy.

You know what a Fireman's pension is? How about an EMT?

At the end of the day, professional athletes are the absolute very bottom of my list of people to feel sorry for, right below the cast of Honey Boo Boo.
 
Mack674 said:
Probably hated on these guys a little more than I should have, but bottom line what I'm trying to get at is what the hell is with all of the injuries in baseball that are minor in nature and take forever to recover from? and are frequent on top of that ?
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Dirk Hayhurst had some insight on the Jays injury plight last year in regards to when he was playing with the team. He said that the Jays trainers and medical staff always err on the side of caution despite how minor a player's ailment is said to be. His recollection of the clubhouse was that because of the Jays' overreaction to injuries, players were afraid to mention something bothersome thus contributing to either greater injury down the road and/or continual problems that are never fixed. Just found his comments interesting, especially considering how many injuries plague this team.

That being said, your argument is absolutely ridiculous.
 
Andy007 said:
Dirk Hayhurst had some insight on the Jays injury plight last year in regards to when he was playing with the team. He said that the Jays trainers and medical staff always err on the side of caution despite how minor a player's ailment is said to be. His recollection of the clubhouse was that because of the Jays' overreaction to injuries, players were afraid to mention something bothersome thus contributing to either greater injury down the road and/or continual problems that are never fixed. Just found his comments interesting, especially considering how many injuries plague this team.
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Wow...interesting take on the whole situation that I never thought of. 

"Overreaction" -- that's an interesting term to use.  I know the training staff took a lot of flak last year because of the injuries and many were calling for a complete overhaul, but based on this, I think they should actually be commended.

EDIT: Might also explain what the heck went on with Romero last year.  He admitted to hiding his injury from the team, so it makes complete sense.
 
Mack674 said:
Millions of dollars to play sports. Zero sympathy.
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Nobody is asking you to feel sorry for anyone. I'm saying that there's a reason that baseball players don't buy into the idea that these minor injuries aren't worth taking proper care of in the name of appearing "tough" and it has to do with serious and significant long term consequences for their health. Maybe you feel as though there's some amount of money that'd be worth your well-being and quality of life but I don't expect anyone else to feel that way, regardless of what they do for a living or how much they're paid.

Mack674 said:
You know what a Fireman's pension is? How about an EMT?

At the end of the day, professional athletes are the absolute very bottom of my list of people to feel sorry for, right below the cast of Honey Boo Boo.
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Well, to start with, the guys who are suing the NFL are, for the most part, not guys who made millions of dollars. They're guys who played in the 60's and 70's who made a living, sure, but not to the point where they're living lives of luxury in their later years. If you want to read about what guys like Mike Webster or Jim McMahon are going/went through and not feel sympathy because they were professional athletes, well, best of luck to you.

But, again, nobody is asking you to feel sorry for anyone, especially not the players themselves. What other people are doing is trying to explain to you how what you consider a "minor injury" can drastically affect their ability to do something like hitting a baseball at the major league level. The difference between the best hitters and the worst in the game when it comes to hitting successfully isn't big, maybe a spread of 10-12 successful plate appearances out of a hundred and the success rate isn't that high to begin with. The best players who ever lived only reached successfully about 40% of the time. If a bad back or a bad wrist drops someone's effectiveness even 5% it makes sense to bench them in favour of someone who may be a lesser player but who is fully healthy. It has nothing to do with protecting the players and everything to do with trying to win baseball games.

I have a bad back myself and the reality is that when it's acting up and I'm doing the parts of my job that are physical I'm at nowhere near 100%. For a professional athlete, where the margins between being good and bad are so thin, it just doesn't make any sense to expect them not to experience a drop-off in their performance that would necessitate removing them for a line-up. Although, that said, it doesn't really sound like you're approaching this with an actual rational complaint but rather, are working out some weird personal issues with professional athletes.
 
Potvin29 said:
In case you missed it last night: http://gamereax.com/dickey-vs-white-sox-knuckleball-gif-thread/
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Crazy. If not for the back he would have thrown a complete game, no problem.

That one of the knuckleball with zero rotation is kind of mesmerizing.
 
Corn Flake said:
Potvin29 said:
In case you missed it last night: http://gamereax.com/dickey-vs-white-sox-knuckleball-gif-thread/
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Crazy. If not for the back he would have thrown a complete game, no problem.
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60 pitches over 6 innings. Just amazing.

Now it's time for the hitting to heat up (And for someone to get Adam Lind into a plutonium-fueled Delorean and set it to 2009).
 
After watching Morrow in the first inning, I figured he would get knocked around pretty good if he didn't start getting his pitches down. He was up in the zone a lot that inning - and I guess a bit more.

Salt in the wound that both Overbay and Wells hit home runs.
 
One of these days the luck will turn, I've lost count of the number of line drives the Jays have hit right at someone or that have been caught with great dives.
 
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