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2013 Toronto Blue Jays Thread

Derk said:
I heard that Buehrle commented that this is an overhyped and overrated team. They have sure played like it.

That comment may very well be an understatement, for the Blue Jays are much worse than an overhyped team.  Why?  Because on paper, they don't come across as such.

Wasn't it not too long ago, (before the season started), that MLB executives and baseball writers, et al, all believed that the Jays were going to be among the top teams challenging in the A.L. East?  There's still time, I know, but it's doubtful this team can do no better than. 500.

On paper, they may not have looked overrated, but on the field, they certainly are.
 
hockeyfan1 said:
On paper, they may not have looked overrated, but on the field, they certainly are.

If a team looked overrated on paper, they wouldn't be overrated. The basic concept of a team that was overhyped is one that does not perform up to the expectations created by how good they look on paper.
 
Same ending to today's game as yesterday. Jays get it to 4-3 with the tying run at 2nd with none out and they end up not getting that run in and end the game with runners at 2nd and 3rd. Something like 2-13 with risp. Another day another choke loss.
 
Was just looking through the 2013 MLB season preview, circa March 2013, and The Sporting News had this to say about our Jays.  Should we be surprised?  No.


ROTATION: This unit is much improved from last season but still ranks behind the Rays. Dickey, Johnson and Buehrle must adjust to AL East pressures. And Romero must rebound.

DEFENSE: This is an average defensive team in a division that isn?t known for its collective glove work. Reyes is a slight downgrade from Yunel Escobar defensively, but Buehrle has won four consecutive Gold Gloves.


http://www.sportingnews.com/mlb/feed/2013-02/team-previews-2013/story/toronto-blue-jays-preview-jose-bautista-jose-reyes-dickey-encarnacion-buehrle
 
hockeyfan1 said:
Derk said:
I heard that Buehrle commented that this is an overhyped and overrated team. They have sure played like it.

That comment may very well be an understatement, for the Blue Jays are much worse than an overhyped team.  Why?  Because on paper, they don't come across as such.

Wasn't it not too long ago, (before the season started), that MLB executives and baseball writers, et al, all believed that the Jays were going to be among the top teams challenging in the A.L. East?  There's still time, I know, but it's doubtful this team can do no better than. 500.

On paper, they may not have looked overrated, but on the field, they certainly are.

On paper they should be a competitive teams, but Vegas had them as World Series favourites before a pitch had been thrown, that's definitely overrating them.
 
bustaheims said:
The Jays could learn a lot from the Rays. If they could approach their at bats with the same type of patience and the same focus on the fundamentals, they could put up a lot more runs, because I think the Jays have much more potent bats in their lineup. Cut down the Ks, bring up the walks and do the little things right, and this team could win a lot of games. Instead of relying on the long-ball to get them back into games, they could, you know, manufacture runs and stay in most games and play with the lead a little more.

Agreed and IMO a lot of this points to the Manager and coaching staff not doing a very good job of enforcing fundamentals.  These guys seem to be free to do whatever they want at the plate, which in the case of over half that lineup is to swing for the fences on every pitch. 

if body language tells us anything, Gibby is just way too lax with all this stuff happening around him. I watch Maddon and Showalter and they appear to be thinking the game, watching and adapting as it goes on.. and they also look like they won't take any crap from anyone.  Gibbons just sits there chomping his gum until he feels like changing pitchers, then goes back to chomping.

Other than that, we have a pitching coach who has never been out of the bullpen, so basically a rookie who seems unable to help his staff make any improvements. 

This team needs a manager who can command more respect, whip these guys into shape and not take any crap. Oh and two starting pitchers and a 2B.
 
Corn Flake said:
bustaheims said:
The Jays could learn a lot from the Rays. If they could approach their at bats with the same type of patience and the same focus on the fundamentals, they could put up a lot more runs, because I think the Jays have much more potent bats in their lineup. Cut down the Ks, bring up the walks and do the little things right, and this team could win a lot of games. Instead of relying on the long-ball to get them back into games, they could, you know, manufacture runs and stay in most games and play with the lead a little more.

Agreed and IMO a lot of this points to the Manager and coaching staff not doing a very good job of enforcing fundamentals.  These guys seem to be free to do whatever they want at the plate, which in the case of over half that lineup is to swing for the fences on every pitch. 

if body language tells us anything, Gibby is just way too lax with all this stuff happening around him. I watch Maddon and Showalter and they appear to be thinking the game, watching and adapting as it goes on.. and they also look like they won't take any crap from anyone.  Gibbons just sits there chomping his gum until he feels like changing pitchers, then goes back to chomping.

Other than that, we have a pitching coach who has never been out of the bullpen, so basically a rookie who seems unable to help his staff make any improvements. 

This team needs a manager who can command more respect, whip these guys into shape and not take any crap. Oh and two starting pitchers and a 2B.

Since when has Gibbons been a great manager?  Sure he gets along with players well, but, besides that, I doubt he can do any better than .500.

 
hockeyfan1 said:
Since when has Gibbons been a great manager?  Sure he gets along with players well, but, besides that, I doubt he can do any better than .500.

I don't think I or anyone else said he was great.
 
Corn Flake said:
hockeyfan1 said:
Since when has Gibbons been a great manager?  Sure he gets along with players well, but, besides that, I doubt he can do any better than .500.

I don't think I or anyone else said he was great.

And, moreover, I think the manager himself only marginally affects whether a team plays .500 ball or not. 
 
Jays get clubbed 14-5 by the Dodgers. Johnson with another poor performance that he described as "pitiful". Five more fielding errors for the Jays also. Just when you think they have reached bottom, they find another shovel. ;D
 
Potvin29 said:
Arencibia still whining about being criticized and admits to complaining to Paul Beeston about it. Lowest OBP among qualified batters.

According to him, he just quit twitter.  Good. if he is this sensitive he shouldn't have been on there in the first place.

What was Beeston going to do? Beat up everyone who said anything about him? 

It's becoming quite clear he isn't going to survive in a city with as much sports media attention as Toronto. I think Lawrie is in the same boat. 
 
Derk said:
Jays get clubbed 14-5 by the Dodgers. Johnson with another poor performance that he described as "pitiful". Five more fielding errors for the Jays also. Just when you think they have reached bottom, they find another shovel. ;D

I should add to my rant about this team that AA has to be held to the fire for acquiring 3 starting pitchers who are so far not working out at all.  Dickey is a .500 pitcher, JJ at best can't handle the AL east or at worst just stinks, Beurhle has been very 'meh' especially for a guy who was in the AL not long ago. 

I'm ballparking this but Garza was just acquired for roughly the same package as Dickey was, but Garza has a long track record of success vs. AL East.  I can't see how you would even look at a pitcher who doesn't at least have some solid evidence of being able to handle this division. 
 
I don't think anyone could have predicted Johnson being this bad, AL East or not.  Injured maybe, but when healthy I don't think anyone thought he'd be anywhere near this bad.
 
Potvin29 said:
I don't think anyone could have predicted Johnson being this bad, AL East or not.  Injured maybe, but when healthy I don't think anyone thought he'd be anywhere near this bad.

I agree. Of the 3 starters the Jays brought in this offseason, he was the one I expected to be able to perform well for them.
 
bustaheims said:
Potvin29 said:
I don't think anyone could have predicted Johnson being this bad, AL East or not.  Injured maybe, but when healthy I don't think anyone thought he'd be anywhere near this bad.

I agree. Of the 3 starters the Jays brought in this offseason, he was the one I expected to be able to perform well for them.

No doubt, but the results are what they are and basically the 3 SP's acquired have not lived up to expectations.  In JJ's case, not even remotely close.  Thankfully, he didn't sign JJ to some insane extension before the season started.  AA paid a huge price to acquire these guys and it doesn't look good right now.
 

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