2016 Lead up to the Trade Deadline thread

[herman]

But both teams are bad. Why would they give up prospects/picks?

I can see the Flames believing that, if they get quality goaltending, they can still make the playoffs. Also, if they can dump a salary commitment - like Wideman or Raymond - I'm sure they'd be happy about it.

I'd do this
To CGY: Bernier, Lupul, Parenteau
To Tor: Ramo, Raymond, Wideman, Prospect, 2016 2nd

 

[Kin]

I'd do this
To CGY: Bernier, Lupul, Parenteau
To Tor: Ramo, Raymond, Wideman, Prospect, 2016 2nd

I see how that works salary wise but considering Parenteau might very well fetch a 2nd on his own I really feel like that's tossing in some interesting pieces and getting essentially nothing back.

 

[herman]

I'd do this
To CGY: Bernier, Lupul, Parenteau
To Tor: Ramo, Raymond, Wideman, Prospect, 2016 2nd

I see how that works salary wise but considering Parenteau might very well fetch a 2nd on his own I really feel like that's tossing in some interesting pieces and getting essentially nothing back.

You're right. A PAP for Pick deal would be better contract space-wise too.

Parenteau could be replaced by some other B-tier Marlies (Leivo?). He was just the closest $ fit I could see that was still actually attractive.

 

[Kin]

Parenteau could be replaced by some other B-tier Marlies (Leivo?). He was just the closest $ fit I could see that was still actually attractive.

Also, I just don't see the other end of it. Call me nuts but I'm more interested in the potential for eventual value from Bernier and Lupul than I'd be in Raymond/Wideman.

I actually really like the idea of Lupul being around the next two years.

 

[bustaheims]

I actually really like the idea of Lupul being around the next two years.

Agreed. Now that Phaneuf's contract has been moved out, I don't think there's that much urgency to jettison Lupul (or anyone else). It's worthwhile to let him try to rebuild some value and try to move him at a future trade deadline.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Not exactly relevant to the Leafs, but...

 

[McGarnagle]

I actually really like the idea of Lupul being around the next two years.

I assume to help ensure top 5 draft positions?

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Not exactly relevant to the Leafs, but...

I'm not sure that's the type of person I want having input on the future of an NHL franchise.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I wonder if they might try and move a few of these excess picks with the veterans to improve the picks coming back via trade?

Does Polak and a third or fourth get you a first instead of a second?

Apparently the Leafs asking price for Polak has been a 2nd and a prospect to this point.

 

[Kin]

I actually really like the idea of Lupul being around the next two years.

I assume to help ensure top 5 draft positions?

No, I legitimately think he's a good guy to have around. Some degree of veteran presence, never been involved in off-ice problems, serves the dual purpose of not being good enough that you feel like you'd be missing out on a good return by trading him but not bad enough to the point where if he winds up on a line with Nylander or Marner you'd think "What are they doing with that plug?"

It's not like he's good enough to really impact their place in the standings and they don't need the cap hit off the books. We don't want a team full of just blue chip prospects and AHL filler. Lupul's a legit NHLer who's been in a leadership role before.

 

[McGarnagle]

I actually really like the idea of Lupul being around the next two years.

I assume to help ensure top 5 draft positions?

No, I legitimately think he's a good guy to have around. Some degree of veteran presence, never been involved in off-ice problems, serves the dual purpose of not being good enough that you feel like you'd be missing out on a good return by trading him but not bad enough to the point where if he winds up on a line with Nylander or Marner you'd think "What are they doing with that plug?"

It's not like he's good enough to really impact their place in the standings and they don't need the cap hit off the books. We don't want a team full of just blue chip prospects and AHL filler. Lupul's a legit NHLer who's been in a leadership role before.

I'm not quite as positive. I know that injuries are somewhat a function of bad luck, but looking at Lupul's career, I think being out for a minimum of a third of the season is a pretty realistic projection going forward. That's a lot of "leadership" that's unavailable to the team.

Regarding his on-ice effectiveness, my eyeballs see him having a lot of issues with the speed of the game. He still has a good shot, and is one of the few leaf players that actually goes to the net with a scoring touch, but I see him as a bit of a liability on a top 6 line playing 5 on 5. Maybe someone who follows advanced stats will tell me I'm wrong, but those are my observations, anyway.

I'd sooner dump his salary and spend it on a faster, more durable veteran for leadership, if it was recognized as a gap on the team going forward, and was possible - but I'm guessing that's been tried and no takers.

 

[skrackle]

I expect Lupul's contract will just end up running out with the Leafs. There's no point in buying him out and I doubt any team will trade for him, though I might be surprised there.

 

[herman]

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Lol whut?

Yost fires shots across the bow of Simmons' latest column.

 

[Kin]

I'm not quite as positive. I know that injuries are somewhat a function of bad luck, but looking at Lupul's career, I think being out for a minimum of a third of the season is a pretty realistic projection going forward. That's a lot of "leadership" that's unavailable to the team.

Absolutely there's a fair bet that he'll be out of the line-up a bit. The difference in the way I see it though is that I don't necessarily think that the positive things I'm talking about regarding his presence vanish if he's injured. He's still around the team.

Regarding his on-ice effectiveness, my eyeballs see him having a lot of issues with the speed of the game. He still has a good shot, and is one of the few leaf players that actually goes to the net with a scoring touch, but I see him as a bit of a liability on a top 6 line playing 5 on 5.

Well, sure. That's my point. If he were an ideal top 6 forward he'd be valuable enough to trade for a decent return and/or help the team actually win games. He's not that, he's just not Colin Greening or Rich Clunes either. You can put him on a PP with a talented young player and not have him be a complete hindrance.

I'd sooner dump his salary and spend it on a faster, more durable veteran for leadership, if it was recognized as a gap on the team going forward, and was possible - but I'm guessing that's been tried and no takers.

I think the problem with that is that anyone the Leafs might bring in on that sort of short-term basis(I'm assuming your hypothetical veteran wouldn't get a long term deal) would have question marks of their own. I don't know what kind of player you're thinking of but they'd either be a similar sort of player to Lupul or they'd be significantly better suited to the role but also willing to take a short term deal with a rebuilding club, which seems unlikely.

Say what you want to about Lupul, he's a known quantity. We know what he's like off-ice, we know what he can do when he's on it and he's dealt with the Toronto circus pretty well in his years here.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

1 week!

 

[sneakyray]

I kind of hope all the expected trades are done early so that the leafs can just sit back and see if someone will overpay for one of their better players like Kadri Komarov bozak or jvr on deadline day.

 

[rdowdall]

Del Zotto done for the year.  Maybe move Hunwick to the Flyers.

 

[herman]

Steen is down for St. Louis too. Do they want Arcobello to hold the fort?

 

[rdowdall]

Steen is down for St. Louis too. Do they want Arcobello to hold the fort?

St. Louis is an interesting case.  They were in the Drouin discussions and a people had made comments that they needed more skill on the wings to compete with the likes of Chicago.  I wonder if there would be a fit with them for JVR.

 

[herman]

Steen is down for St. Louis too. Do they want Arcobello to hold the fort?

St. Louis is an interesting case.  They were in the Drouin discussions and a people had made comments that they needed more skill on the wings to compete with the likes of Chicago.  I wonder if there would be a fit with them for JVR.

There's a bit of fan-chatter about JVR being included in a package to Chicago for a Bickell-dump + picks and primo prospects, since we have so much cap space going into the deadline.