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2017-18 Toronto Maple Leafs - General Discussion

CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
Or they just want a more flexible option for the 4th line. Put the Goat on Moore's wing instead of Martin, for example . . .

Jesus, if Babcock finally came to the realization that Martin wasn't an every-day NHLer only to replace him with arguably the 4th or 5th best potential replacement in the organization...
Allah, I know what you mean
 
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/31-thoughts-inside-matt-duchene-kyle-turris-blockbuster/

23. One coach on Toronto: ?I know there?s a lot of concern about Tyler Bozak?s and Mitch Marner?s confidence, but the guy they really have to fix is Nikita Zaitsev.?

That?s true. Zaitsev was a rookie revelation in 2016-17, becoming a critical piece. No Maple Leaf played more than Zaitsev, who was also the only defenceman to play at least 1:30 per game on both the power play and penalty kill. He?s actually up a minute per game so far this season, but is really fighting it as Toronto goes through its first bad stretch. They need him ? badly.

I don't think Gardiner's current struggles are all on Zaitsev, but they certainly don't help. Zaitsev is having trouble with breakouts (he's not the only one) under the Leafs' adjusted system in the first quarter of the season.

Andersen noted this after the latest game against the Golden Knights, but the defense was clearly having some communication issues during that rough patch.

We?re starting to talk a lot on dump-ins. I think you saw today had a lot of good passes and communication for us. I think one of the only ones we messed up was when they called for it.

I don't think it's a stretch to say Zaitsev is the most susceptible to that particular issue as he's still coming to grips with English and the colloquialisms of the youth/hockey.
 
AvroArrow said:
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Fehr has been loaned to San Diego from the Marlies.

A pretty nice move for a veteran.

Please excuse my ignorance, but why is it a pretty nice move?

Some people out there incorrectly think that San Diego has nicer weather.
 
Britishbulldog said:
CarltonTheBear said:
bustaheims said:
Or they just want a more flexible option for the 4th line. Put the Goat on Moore's wing instead of Martin, for example . . .

Jesus, if Babcock finally came to the realization that Martin wasn't an every-day NHLer only to replace him with arguably the 4th or 5th best potential replacement in the organization...
Allah, I know what you mean
Buddha doubles up on that action
 
Pierre LeBrun revealed an interesting note about Soshnikov's contract on TSN's Insider Trading today: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/video/insider-trading-could-soshnikov-clause-pressure-leafs-to-make-a-move~1252964

He said that Soshnikov has a clause in his contract that allows him to return to the KHL on loan for the remainder of the season if he isn't called up by November 14th. He also said that the Leafs will likely call him up before then to make sure he stays (although it wasn't clear if calling him up for a day and then re-assigning him back to the Marlies after would null that clause). He also noted that Soshnikov is just 3 NHL games played away from requiring waivers.
 
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/928116750528471040

Seems like a good idea to try to keep this guy.
 
herman said:
https://twitter.com/JeffVeillette/status/928116750528471040

Seems like a good idea to try to keep this guy.

Soshnikov has been the forgotten man in all the leafstalk so far  this season, until now.
 
So remember last year TSN decided the Leafs should trade Nylander?

Well, yesterday Nick Kypreos went on Sportsnet and insisted that the Leafs should trade Marner.

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WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
So remember last year TSN decided the Leafs should trade Nylander?

Well, yesterday Nick Kypreos went on Sportsnet and insisted that the Leafs should trade Marner.

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Maybe a package deal with both Nylander and Marner for two Adam Larssons?
 
https://twitter.com/draglikepull/status/928615261476880384

This is pretty surprising to hear. Dominic Moore has scored as many goals as Nylander has. Borgman has more goals than Marner.

Nylander's still on pace for over 60 points so it's not like he's struggling, but he's definitely been snake-bit when it comes to goals.
 
I was just looking up Rielly stats when mr. drag beat me to that too:

https://twitter.com/draglikepull/status/928617129636696069

Rielly's on pace for 62 points, which would double last years totals and far eclipse his previous career high of 36. He's also top-5 in points/60 on the PP among defencemen with 35+ minutes on the powerplay. I still can't believe how little time he saw there last season.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
I was just looking up Rielly stats when mr. drag beat me to that too:

https://twitter.com/draglikepull/status/928617129636696069

Rielly's on pace for 62 points, which would double last years totals and far eclipse his previous career high of 36. He's also top-5 in points/60 on the PP among defencemen with 35+ minutes on the powerplay. I still can't believe how little time he saw there last season.
Geez surprised by these factual stats but my eyeballs have a hard time agreeing.
 
CarltonTheBear said:
https://twitter.com/draglikepull/status/928615261476880384

This is pretty surprising to hear. Dominic Moore has scored as many goals as Nylander has. Borgman has more goals than Marner.

Nylander's still on pace for over 60 points so it's not like he's struggling, but he's definitely been snake-bit when it comes to goals.
Shooting percentages are generally fairly predictable. I am fully confident that that their shooting percentages will balance out and the goals will come. Thank goodness for the depth on the team. As a fantasy hockey junky I like to look at shooting percentages to pluck someone off the waiver wire who is over do or snake bitten.

Hopefully it doesn't last a whole season like 15-16 Kadri who shot at 6.5% versus career average of 11.6%.

My case study is Torey Krug, based on the number of shots he takes and his peers shooting percentages he should be able to score closer to 20 then the under 10 he has been getting.
 
bustaheims said:
cabber24 said:
Geez surprised by these factual stats but my eyeballs have a hard time agreeing.

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Just to add to this, Kyle Dubas gave a good talk about analytics and how your eyes can be liars a lot of the time.

It's an interesting insight from the Leafs AGM, the Marlies GM and the Leafs future GM.

It's approximately 20 minutes long and well worth watching.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlVp7xYHc8w&t=675s
 
cabber24 said:
Geez surprised by these factual stats but my eyeballs have a hard time agreeing.

I looked at Rielly's stats a little more and found that the +9.6% Corsi Rel stat is for all-situations not just 5-on-5. Not sure if that was a simple mistake on his part or if he meant to use it like that. His Corsi Rel stat at 5-on-5 is 4.36, which is still very good (9th among defencemen with 250 minutes). For those who aren't a fan of relative stats, his raw counts are even better as his 53.64% CF puts him 5th among defencemen with 250 5-on-5 minutes. This is all while still playing difficult minutes (albeit not as difficult as last years)

I know what you mean though, I'm not sure he's playing at the "elite 1D territory" level that was brought up, but I also don't really expect that from him. I was starting to question though whether he was capable of putting up those types of offensive numbers and those types of possession numbers, so I'm very happy to see that.
 
WhatIfGodWasALeaf said:
Just to add to this, Kyle Dubas gave a good talk about analytics and how your eyes can be liars a lot of the time.

Our eyes and our brains quite literally dumb things down for us. They take in and process way more information than our conscious minds are able to handle, so they only fill that part of our cognitive process in on what it needs for us to be able to understand and react appropriately.

I mean, that's why things like optical illusions exist.
 

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