2017 Off-season Trades/Signings Discussion

[herman]

Bob McKenzie tweeted that Jonas Brodin's name has been brought up.

Which means Minnesota is set to lose Brodin AND one of Dumba/Scandella/Niederreitter?

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Oh, I agree. I think the only real difference is that bob doesn't through the Leafs/Habs/Rangers/Flyers into rumours about every big name player to get clicks, since he doesn't have his own website.

He uses his "fame" to sell sports bets, so he's 100% profiting off all that crap. I just imagine hockey fans aren't really driving his sales in that regard.

 

[herman]

ANA has put Simon Despres on waivers for an intended buyout. But he was on LTIR all of last season with concussion symptoms... is that buyoutable?

Edit: looks like he was activated from IR during the playoffs vs EDM. The player can also grant permission otherwise.

https://twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/875747765292236800
www.twitter.com/CapFriendly/status/875747765292236800

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

If this is a 1/3 buyout of a player still unable to play, the NHLPA better bring out the big guns.

 

[bustaheims]

Despres could be an interesting player to take a flyer on with a league minimum one year deal, if he's healthy enough to go.

 

[bustaheims]

If this is a 1/3 buyout of a player still unable to play, the NHLPA better bring out the big guns.

He was skating in May and taken off the IR, so, there's a good chance he's been medically cleared.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

Per various insiders, NHL reps currently voting on/confirming the $75 million cap first reported by Mirtle.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

If this is a 1/3 buyout of a player still unable to play, the NHLPA better bring out the big guns.

He was skating in May and taken off the IR, so, there's a good chance he's been medically cleared.

I read that, but if he didn't get a game under his belt, there is a case to be made that he was "cleared" with a potential buyout on the horizon.

 

[bustaheims]

I read that, but if he didn't get a game under his belt, there is a case to be made that he was "cleared" with a potential buyout on the horizon.

Maybe, but not a particularly strong one. That's the sort of thing doctors can lose their medical licenses over.

 

[WhatIfGodWasALeaf]

I read that, but if he didn't get a game under his belt, there is a case to be made that he was "cleared" with a potential buyout on the horizon.

Maybe, but not a particularly strong one. That's the sort of thing doctors can lose their medical licenses over.

You don't have to prove they lied, you only need to provide a credible counter opinion, the NHLPA/Despres himself could have specialists testifying that he is still unfit for duty.

 

[Kin]

Per various insiders, NHL reps currently voting on/confirming the $75 million cap first reported by Mirtle.

So is that PA reps deciding on using their inflator or is that the NHL's number before the PA decides?

 

[Zee]

Per various insiders, NHL reps currently voting on/confirming the $75 million cap first reported by Mirtle.

So is that PA reps deciding on using their inflator or is that the NHL's number before the PA decides?

Partial inflator.  As per Mirtle:

Choosing the $75-million cap figure is not the full 5% growth factor. More like 1.5%. That likely shrinks escrow by a couple percent.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

He was skating in May and taken off the IR, so, there's a good chance he's been medically cleared.

He was skating (on his own, not with the team), but I don't think the fact that he was taken off the IR was ever confirmed. It was just speculated because he started showing up on roster reports during the playoffs. But I don't know if that means much officially and no beat reporter ever said he was medically cleared. They way they had discussed his concussions in the past makes it sound very unlikely that he'd be ready to return at this point.

 

[bustaheims]

You don't have to prove they lied, you only need to provide a credible counter opinion, the NHLPA/Despres himself could have specialists testifying that he is still unfit for duty.

A second opinion isn't going to be enough to get an arbitration ruling in their favour. They were acting on the advice of their doctor and Despres participated in on-ice activities after being reinstated without those activities resulting in a re-occurrence of the concussion. the PA and Despres will need to be able to prove any symptoms aren't the result of non-hockey related activities, that he was never really symptom free, and that he reported said symptoms to the team and their medical staff.

 

[bustaheims]

He was skating (on his own, not with the team), but I don't think the fact that he was taken off the IR was ever confirmed. It was just speculated because he started showing up on roster reports during the playoffs. But I don't know if that means much officially and no beat reporter ever said he was medically cleared. They way they had discussed his concussions in the past makes it sound very unlikely that he'd be ready to return at this point.

If he wasn't activated, the team wouldn't be allowed to put him on waivers without his consent. And, in order to be activated, he would have had to be medically cleared.

So, basically, he's either been medically cleared, or he's given his consent to be bought out.

 

[Kin]

Partial inflator.  As per Mirtle:

Choosing the $75-million cap figure is not the full 5% growth factor. More like 1.5%. That likely shrinks escrow by a couple percent.

Huh. I don't know why but I thought the inflator was an all or nothing thing. Ah well. 75 million is easy to remember I suppose.

 

[Zee]

Partial inflator.  As per Mirtle:

Choosing the $75-million cap figure is not the full 5% growth factor. More like 1.5%. That likely shrinks escrow by a couple percent.

Huh. I don't know why but I thought the inflator was an all or nothing thing. Ah well. 75 million is easy to remember I suppose.

I guess not.  I never really follow this stuff but on the sports talk shows the last few days they mentioned the players didn't have to do a full 5% on the inflator.  Something to do with escrow...my head hurts talking about it, I just wanna see hockey.

 

[Guru Tugginmypuddah]

I guess not.  I never really follow this stuff but on the sports talk shows the last few days they mentioned the players didn't have to do a full 5% on the inflator.  Something to do with escrow...my head hurts talking about it, I just wanna see hockey.

Over 100 sleeps to go.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

If he wasn't activated, the team wouldn't be allowed to put him on waivers without his consent. And, in order to be activated, he would have had to be medically cleared.

So, basically, he's either been medically cleared, or he's given his consent to be bought out.

Well assuming this is all true as far as the Ducks are concerned, as we saw with the Cowen situation (which he of course did end up losing), it's still entirely possible Despres and his agent disagrees.

Either way, it sure is lucky for Anaheim that he went from looking like his career would be over because of concussions to being medically cleared at the very end of the season so his team could get a sweet deal on his buyout before he turned 26.

 

[herman]

Per Bob McKenzie on the radio (logged here: https://twitter.com/NicholsOnHockey):
Likely to be traded: Brodin, Vatanen, Hamonic
Not likely: Dumba

From non-Bob 'insiders', you might as well throw Duchene, Phaneuf, Anisimov, Eberle, Stepan, and Galchenyuk into the pile of likely moves too. And whoever from the Cup 'core' Chicago is flaunting.