2017 Trade Deadline Watch

[bustaheims]

I am hoping for a C upgrade to bozak.  I am wondering if Duchene is prohibitively expensive maybe nugent-hopkins could be had?  Bozak and one of polak/hunwick/corrado plus maybe some lesser prospects picks...and maybe the leafs could retain a little on bozak?

If you were the Oilers - even with their questionable management group - would you make that deal?

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I am hoping for a C upgrade to bozak.  I am wondering if Duchene is prohibitively expensive maybe nugent-hopkins could be had?  Bozak and one of polak/hunwick/corrado plus maybe some lesser prospects picks...and maybe the leafs could retain a little on bozak?

If you were the Oilers - even with their questionable management group - would you make that deal?

I think Bozak, Corrado and Laich would be good value for RNH. Make the call!!

 

[sneakyray]

I am hoping for a C upgrade to bozak.  I am wondering if Duchene is prohibitively expensive maybe nugent-hopkins could be had?  Bozak and one of polak/hunwick/corrado plus maybe some lesser prospects picks...and maybe the leafs could retain a little on bozak?

If you were the Oilers - even with their questionable management group - would you make that deal?

yeah, I mean, looking at this a day later it doesnt look as good as I thought.  In defense my thought was that bozak is probably an upgrade right now for the oilers as a #3 C and hes cheaper and signed for shorter.  I guess it just depends on how much they have soured on nuge and what they think of both bozak and polak as players in regards to their needs.

 

[rdowdall]

I am hoping for a C upgrade to bozak.  I am wondering if Duchene is prohibitively expensive maybe nugent-hopkins could be had?  Bozak and one of polak/hunwick/corrado plus maybe some lesser prospects picks...and maybe the leafs could retain a little on bozak?

If you were the Oilers - even with their questionable management group - would you make that deal?

yeah, I mean, looking at this a day later it doesnt look as good as I thought.  In defense my thought was that bozak is probably an upgrade right now for the oilers as a #3 C and hes cheaper and signed for shorter.  I guess it just depends on how much they have soured on nuge and what they think of both bozak and polak as players in regards to their needs.

The other problem is that deals don't happen in a vacuum.  What the Leafs would be offering would have to be better than what 28 other teams would be offering, if they were in on the deal. 

 

[sneakyray]

I am hoping for a C upgrade to bozak.  I am wondering if Duchene is prohibitively expensive maybe nugent-hopkins could be had?  Bozak and one of polak/hunwick/corrado plus maybe some lesser prospects picks...and maybe the leafs could retain a little on bozak?

If you were the Oilers - even with their questionable management group - would you make that deal?

yeah, I mean, looking at this a day later it doesnt look as good as I thought.  In defense my thought was that bozak is probably an upgrade right now for the oilers as a #3 C and hes cheaper and signed for shorter.  I guess it just depends on how much they have soured on nuge and what they think of both bozak and polak as players in regards to their needs.

The other problem is that deals don't happen in a vacuum.  What the Leafs would be offering would have to be better than what 28 other teams would be offering, if they were in on the deal.

but how many of those 28 teams can take on that kind of salary...so maybe not 28 teams but I get your point.

 

[Kin]

Maybe just to flip it a little but right now if RNH were available for free would picking him up even be a good idea? He's more young-ish than he is young(he turns 24 in a few months) and he's not cheap. He's been productive to the tune of about 56 points per 82 games but there's nothing special about his possession numbers and his face-off numbers are pretty terrible.

He certainly wouldn't play over Matthews, is he even better than Kadri? And with Nylander hopefully moving into the middle eventually, is spending 6 million dollars on a guy who's probably a 2/3 guy on the depth chart even before you get to Nylander a good bet?

If the team were desperate down the middle, sure, but it's probably their strongest position.

 

[Frank E]

Maybe just to flip it a little but right now if RNH were available for free would picking him up even be a good idea? He's more young-ish than he is young(he turns 24 in a few months) and he's not cheap. He's been productive to the tune of about 56 points per 82 games but there's nothing special about his possession numbers and his face-off numbers are pretty terrible.

He certainly wouldn't play over Matthews, is he even better than Kadri? And with Nylander hopefully moving into the middle eventually, is spending 6 million dollars on a guy who's probably a 2/3 guy on the depth chart even before you get to Nylander a good bet?

If the team were desperate down the middle, sure, but it's probably their strongest position.

Yeah, I'm not really interested in acquiring higher dollar forwards right now until the Leafs figure out what they've got in their top 9.

I'm super interested in acquiring some strong defense prospects, or young up and coming current NHL d-men.

 

[Kin]

Yeah, I'm not really interested in acquiring higher dollar forwards right now until the Leafs figure out what they've got in their top 9.

I'm super interested in acquiring some strong defense prospects, or young up and coming current NHL d-men.

Yeah, I mean, I'd probably rate my list of Leafs' needs like this:

1) Top 4 defenseman/Top defensive prospects
2) Komarov upgrade/JVR replacement
3) 1B goaltender

If you're talking about expending legit assets, be it players picks or cap space, those three areas seem legitimately pressing to me.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

1) Sign Shattenkirk
2) Trade for Landeskog
3) Don't wait until late August to sign a back-up goalie in the summer

(admittedly, pretty pipe-dreamy)

 

[Kin]

1) Sign Shattenkirk
2) Trade for Landeskog
3) Don't wait until late August to sign a back-up goalie in the summer

(admittedly, pretty pipe-dreamy)

I am very excited to get the trade for Landeskog bandwagon going.

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Landeskog-Nylander-Kapanen
Leipsic-Kadri-Brown
Martin-Gauthier-Sosh

Dare to dream

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I am very excited to get the trade for Landeskog bandwagon going.

Hyman-Matthews-Marner
Landeskog-Nylander-Kapanen
Leipsic-Kadri-Brown
Martin-Gauthier-Sosh

Dare to dream

Yeah, Landeskog would be an amazing get. Sakic is also definitely a GM who can probably be taken advantage of by Lou too.

 

[Frank E]

1) Sign Shattenkirk
2) Trade for Landeskog
3) Don't wait until late August to sign a back-up goalie in the summer

(admittedly, pretty pipe-dreamy)

I like the idea of Landeskog, but I just can't see how the Leafs can make a deal with the Avs given that they'd want picks and/or prospects, and I don't think the Leafs are at a point where they can afford to expend those assets.

Is Erik Johnson worth $6m a year forever?

 

[Kin]

I like the idea of Landeskog, but I just can't see how the Leafs can make a deal with the Avs given that they'd want picks and/or prospects, and I don't think the Leafs are at a point where they can afford to expend those assets.

You may have missed my post yesterday but my idea was essentially that you deal JVR for picks/prospects and flip those picks/prospects for Landeskog.

 

[Frank E]

I like the idea of Landeskog, but I just can't see how the Leafs can make a deal with the Avs given that they'd want picks and/or prospects, and I don't think the Leafs are at a point where they can afford to expend those assets.

You may have missed my post yesterday but my idea was essentially that you deal JVR for picks/prospects and flip those picks/prospects for Landeskog.

I like it, but I'm thinking that as sexy as Landeskog is, they should really use JVR's return for the defense.

 

[LuncheonMeat]

I like the idea of Landeskog, but I just can't see how the Leafs can make a deal with the Avs given that they'd want picks and/or prospects, and I don't think the Leafs are at a point where they can afford to expend those assets.

You may have missed my post yesterday but my idea was essentially that you deal JVR for picks/prospects and flip those picks/prospects for Landeskog.

I like it, but I'm thinking that as sexy as Landeskog is, they should really use JVR's return for the defense.

Unless they can sign Shattenkirk. I think JVR will fetch more in the off-season, especially if he can continue to play the way he has been. By then the Leafs should have a good handle on whether Shattenkirk is an option, and can make moves accordingly.

 

[Kin]

I like it, but I'm thinking that as sexy as Landeskog is, they should really use JVR's return for the defense.

I understand where you're coming from on that but you would have to be realistic about what the return likely would be. JVR isn't Hall and Hall fetched Larsson.

You're probably talking about a mid-1st and a good D prospect.

 

[Frank E]

I like it, but I'm thinking that as sexy as Landeskog is, they should really use JVR's return for the defense.

I understand where you're coming from on that but you would have to be realistic about what the return likely would be. JVR isn't Hall and Hall fetched Larsson.

You're probably talking about a mid-1st and a good D prospect.

I like to think I'm realistic, and I really don't want to put all my eggs in the Shattenkirk basket.

I think they're really going to need to do something here this summer with the bottom 3.  I can't imagine Polak and Hunwick are back next year, and as high as some are on Carrick, I'm not.

If they move out JVR and Bozak, I think that the offense of those 2 is replaceable within the current system, or at least close to it.  And as much as we may dislike Hunwick and Polak, the bottom 3 d-men are not replaceable with the farm bodies today.

 

[Kin]

I like to think I'm realistic, and I really don't want to put all my eggs in the Shattenkirk basket.

I think they're really going to need to do something here this summer with the bottom 3.  I can't imagine Polak and Hunwick are back next year, and as high as some are on Carrick, I'm not.

If they move out JVR and Bozak, I think that the offense of those 2 is replaceable within the current system, or at least close to it.  And as much as we may dislike Hunwick and Polak, the bottom 3 d-men are not replaceable with the farm bodies today.

Again, I hear everything you're saying I just think that the market for defensemen right now is such that trading JVR returns someone who isn't a gigantic upgrade on Carrick if you're going for a roster player or a prospect that might be a few years away.

When it comes to making deals or acquiring players like that I think the Leafs have more options than you think. Kapanen, this and next year's 1sts, two second round picks in each of the next two drafts. If, between now and next year, a good defenseman becomes available from a team for whatever reason I think the Leafs are situated reasonably well to make an offer.

The thing with JVR on the other hand is that if he is available, he might be the most valuable piece out there for a contender. So a team that might want to add him but not subtract a major part of their defense might over value him in terms of prospects/picks.

Now, fair to you if you'd say you'd rather use those prospects and picks to draft and develop defensemen but that isn't the immediate upgrade you seem to be in search of.

 

[iwas11in67]

I'd still like to pry Trouba from Winnipeg. Sounds like a summer deal to me though.

 

[Frank E]

Now, fair to you if you'd say you'd rather use those prospects and picks to draft and develop defensemen but that isn't the immediate upgrade you seem to be in search of.

In my best case scenario, if they can't make a deal with someone to get the d-men prospects, then they use the returns to acquire a couple of 20-23 year old solid top 4 prospects that can play limited minutes today.

Failing that, then yeah, draft a couple in the first round this year, and fill the holes with short deals on the UFA market this summer.