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2017 Trade Deadline Watch

Zee said:
How does Vegas even factor into trade deadline day?  They have no current players right?  I understand they'll get to pick 30 players in the expansion draft, but how do they fill out the rest of their contracts so they can ice an AHL team as well?
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It's possible, maybe even likely, that they only share an AHL affiliate with another team for a season or two before getting their own.
 
sneakyray said:
could they trade draft picks for the rights to players who aren't on an nhl roster right now?  Like, for instance, could they trade a 2018 3rd round draft pick for a good jr aged player thats not in a particular teams long term plans?
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Yes: http://www.tsn.ca/golden-knights-could-be-involved-in-some-deadline-deals-1.661940
 
Zee said:
That's a lot of UFA signings.  Is that how it's done?  From the 30 players they pick, I guess 23 stay with the big club and 7 go to their AHL affiliate?  Do they then have to go out and sign another 16 players?
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They also get to sign NHL UFA's. My guess is that a lot of the Brad Boyes/Curtis Glencross PTO guys we've seen in recent years get jobs in Vegas on the short term.
 
Zee said:
With the expansion draft coming up I don't think trading will be slow.  Might not happen all that day but leading up to the day there should be a number of trades.  Teams have to get their rosters together for both the playoffs and the upcoming draft so tough decisions will have to be made by some teams.
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I wouldn't expect the expansion draft to have a significant impact on the trade deadline. Teams have time to address the issues facing them between the playoffs and the expansion draft, and playoff bound teams will almost certainly opt to retain significant pieces for their playoff run.

If anything, the expansion draft might make it more difficult for teams on the outside to move anyone who isn't on an expiring contract.
 
Another thing to maybe keep in mind is that if the Owners really didn't want to lose anything of value in an expansion draft they could have chosen much more favourable terms for existing clubs re: the number of players they can protect.

This expansion draft seems designed, smartly I think, to avoid the League having to try to break into a non-traditional market with an absolute tire fire of a home team. If a bunch of teams start making moves for the sole purpose of not losing anyone even remotely valuable to Vegas I can't help but think the League would be on the phone figuring out what's going on.

I don't for a second underestimate the Owners abilities to be duplicitous, selfish jerks who pretend they're part of a whole when it suits them and individual operators when it doesn't but my guess is some of them made peace with potentially losing a valuable asset when the expansion draft was discussed.
 
http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/30-thoughts-decision-galchenyuk-looms-canadiens/

16. Another UFA to watch is Tampa Bay?s Brian Boyle. You can see why playoff teams would be interested. Edmonton?s Peter Chiarelli went to see him in Minnesota last Friday. Columbus and Toronto are believed to be among other potential suitors. (The Maple Leafs tried to sign him as a free agent in 2014, although it was a different regime.)

Some tweeters were surprised I said during a radio interview he may fetch a first-rounder in return. It comes down to how much of a demand there is, but teams are not married to those picks in 2017. If one executive ever hears me getting wishy-washy on the topic, he texts a reminder: ?How many times do I have to tell you that teams are going to trade their firsts? This draft is terrible!? I hope someone does so he stops yelling at me.
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To the loser of the Boyle sweepstakes, might I offer Ben Smith as consolation? He's very good at face offs and blocking shots. 2018 first rounders are all I ask.
 
Zee said:
Tomorrow is 2 weeks to the deadline.  Should I book March 1st off?
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I wouldn't. While I expect this year's deadline to be more entertaining than last year's, I don't think it'll be so action packed that you won't be able to get away with following it at work. I still say most of the really exciting deals will happen between the Cup final and the expansion draft, and at the entry draft.
 
bustaheims said:
Zee said:
Tomorrow is 2 weeks to the deadline.  Should I book March 1st off?
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I wouldn't. While I expect this year's deadline to be more entertaining than last year's, I don't think it'll be so action packed that you won't be able to get away with following it at work. I still say most of the really exciting deals will happen between the Cup final and the expansion draft, and at the entry draft.
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Frickin party pooper you are, I was looking for a short work week.  ;D
 
Zee said:
Frickin party pooper you are, I was looking for a short work week.  ;D
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Well, I never said you couldn't take the day off for other reasons . . . I'm sure you can come up with something. :P
 
Mirtle with a good piece here on a stalling trade market:

https://theathletic.com/38474/2017/02/14/mirtle-vegas-expansion-draft-killing-trade-talk-around-the-nhl/
 
Besides the major, long-term need (a top-pairing defenseman), I think there's a relatively low cost, beneficial trade the Leafs could make for a depth forward. Surely we can improve on Gauthier, Smith, and Froese. Laich?
 
mr grieves said:
Besides the major, long-term need (a top-pairing defenseman), I think there's a relatively low cost, beneficial trade the Leafs could make for a depth forward. Surely we can improve on Gauthier, Smith, and Froese. Laich?
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Is there really a purpose served there though? Isn't the sort of push/pull of "How much we'd have to spend to acquire someone who'd make a real difference" vs. "The benefits of the difference they'd make" kind of render it a futile exercise?
 
Unless a top-5 1RD is disgruntled with his team and insists on being traded only to the Leafs, I see no reason to spend at this deadline.

All I'm hoping to see are UFAs being moved out for futures, and maybe eating a bad but short contract for another prospect stuck behind a logjam.

I can see Froese getting the call up if Smith departs.

Polak + Smith for a 2018 2nd and 2019 2nd, anyone? It's like a PK combo deal.
 
herman said:
All I'm hoping to see are UFAs being moved out for futures, and maybe eating a bad but short contract for another prospect stuck behind a logjam.
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I like this idea - look for playoffs teams that are close to the cap but want to buy at the deadline, and take a hefty (but expiring) player contract off their hands if it comes a pick and/or prospect.  Other team gets cap space, we get potential futures.  But I would only do this on D - on forward, I think we're pretty much going into the playoffs with the guys we have.

Edit: upon quick inspection - the Flyers are a team ripe for this.  No cap space, may be looking to buy.  We could take either Streit or Del Zotto off their hands if they're looking to pick up someone else at FWD or D.
 
I'm willing to accept that JVR is probably not moving at the deadline but if that's the case they should really explore moving Komarov.
 
Nik the Trik said:
I'm willing to accept that JVR is probably not moving at the deadline but if that's the case they should really explore moving Komarov.
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Well I have been under the impression that the use of Komarov strictly with Kardi and continually on the PP is based on the intent of moving him at the deadline. I'm hoping that that's the case because otherwise I'm not really sure what he's bringing to the team (and to the top 6).
 
Is there a deal to be had with Anaheim and taking one of their bad contracts plus lesser of one of their D prospects in exchange for two decent forward prospects and a pick? Fair enough if this is a bit cloud cuckoo land...
 
Jolly good show chaps said:
Is there a deal to be had with Anaheim and taking one of their bad contracts plus lesser of one of their D prospects in exchange for two decent forward prospects and a pick? Fair enough if this is a bit cloud cuckoo land...
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Seems to me like the devil would be in the details on that one.
 
Nik the Trik said:
mr grieves said:
Besides the major, long-term need (a top-pairing defenseman), I think there's a relatively low cost, beneficial trade the Leafs could make for a depth forward. Surely we can improve on Gauthier, Smith, and Froese. Laich?
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Is there really a purpose served there though? Isn't the sort of push/pull of "How much we'd have to spend to acquire someone who'd make a real difference" vs. "The benefits of the difference they'd make" kind of render it a futile exercise?
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Eh. If you could get an expiring UFA with some penalty killing and playoff experience for a lower pick or even one of our three* 2nds, I think the marginally better play, plus the benefit of having someone used to playing in tight games down the stretch, would be nice to have around.

* for now. If they're moving Polak, Hunwick, Bozak, Komarov, and/or JvR between now and the draft, they should have a couple more.
 
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