2019-2020 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Frank E]

I wouldn't want to trade Dermott just so we can have only 3 lefties... but if Dermott is what it costs to get a right handed Dermott...

At this point, Dermott is in line to become our defense corps version of Connor Brown.

So, Connor Brown update...tracking a 48 point season, and career high in shots.  Tracking only 7.6% SH%, which is well below his career of 11.1%...explains his low 14 goal tracking for the season.

I do agree though, Dermott although useful finds himself likely behind Sandin Muzzin Rielly now.  If Sandin can show the stuff over the next few weeks, and they get Muzzin under contract, I think he's odd man out. 

I'm not so sure that Muzzin gets re-signed though. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

I wouldn't want to trade Dermott just so we can have only 3 lefties... but if Dermott is what it costs to get a right handed Dermott...

At this point, Dermott is in line to become our defense corps version of Connor Brown.

So, Connor Brown update...tracking a 48 point season, and career high in shots.  Tracking only 7.6% SH%, which is well below his career of 11.1%...explains his low 14 goal tracking for the season.

I do agree though, Dermott although useful finds himself likely behind Sandin Muzzin Rielly now.  If Sandin can show the stuff over the next few weeks, and they get Muzzin under contract, I think he's odd man out. 

I'm not so sure that Muzzin gets re-signed though. 

Dermott becomes the 7th D in that scenario or moves to the right side. They're not getting rid because we have an extra LD. Injuries happen and we need all we can carry. I think the Leafs will try to sign Muzz over Barrie. If the ask is too much for either, they'll move on.

 

[herman]

https://mapleleafshotstove.com/2020/01/15/sheldon-keefe-on-auston-matthews/

Mitch Marner was saying you have a knack for knowing when guys are in a rhythm and when to play him more in that situation. How much is it a fluid situation on the bench knowing when a guy is in the groove and leaning on him more a little bit?

Keefe: I think that is a big part of my job when it comes to bench management in the game. I think a lot of the coaching and direction and all of that kind of stuff is on practice days and pre-game. You are preparing your team to play. Once the puck drops, the players have got to go out and decide how things go. I think it is more about managing the bench and figuring out who is going and who is not ? what is working and what is not. A lot of this strategy type of stuff is kind of over at that stage. That is what it is about for me. That is the exciting part of it. I rely on our staff to give me some of the cues and things they are seeing as well.

 

[disco]

In 24 games under Keefe the Leafs have 6 regulation losses.

 

[ZBBM]

Dermott seems to have regressed this year but I wouldn't give up on him.  He may still not be 100% recovered from his shoulder injury, and he's got the juice to play Keefe's style.

Personally, I would trade Muzzin at the deadline and work on finding someone like him next summer.  Maybe Liljegren will eventually grow into that role. 

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/moneypuckdotcom/status/1217668167071346690
https://twitter.com/moneypuckdotcom/status/1217671091591811072

Remember that time I accidentally unlocked the secret to scoring being one-timers on the off-wing for RH shots to the goalie?s slower blocker side?

 

[Kin]

Remember that time I accidentally unlocked the secret to scoring being one-timers on the off-wing for RH shots to the goalie?s slower blocker side?

Who could forget?

 

[Bullfrog]

It was a truly pivotal moment in my understanding of how one-timers work. Suddenly, Ovechkin was no longer a mystery.

 

[herman]

Please give me all the moneys, thanks.

 

[Bullfrog]

Do you take bitcoin?

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dermott seems to have regressed this year but I wouldn't give up on him.  He may still not be 100% recovered from his shoulder injury, and he's got the juice to play Keefe's style.

Personally, I would trade Muzzin at the deadline and work on finding someone like him next summer.  Maybe Liljegren will eventually grow into that role. 

Contract extension aside.... Why would we weaken the team for the stretch drive and playoffs and then look for a Muzzin in the off season??? That makes no sense to me. Now, if the Leafs can't get him signed to a reasonable extension then I'd say yes, just like Barrie if they plan on going that route. I don't expect the Leafs to trade either of those guys unless they totally fall out of the playoff race and aren't going to make the playoffs. I could see Barrie being the guy traded in that scenario. Muzz is the type of D man this team needs. I also don't see Liljegren turning into a Muzzin type D man.

 

[Highlander]

In 24 games under Keefe the Leafs have 6 regulation losses.

That is about his historical average when you look at the 3 leagues he coached in previously to the NHL.

 

[Highlander]

I would sign Muzzin for 3 years and trade Barrie, I think Lilipad can give whatever Barrie is not giving and we can hopefully get a pick or two.

 

[ZBBM]

Dermott seems to have regressed this year but I wouldn't give up on him.  He may still not be 100% recovered from his shoulder injury, and he's got the juice to play Keefe's style.

Personally, I would trade Muzzin at the deadline and work on finding someone like him next summer.  Maybe Liljegren will eventually grow into that role. 

Contract extension aside.... Why would we weaken the team for the stretch drive and playoffs and then look for a Muzzin in the off season??? That makes no sense to me. Now, if the Leafs can't get him signed to a reasonable extension then I'd say yes, just like Barrie if they plan on going that route. I don't expect the Leafs to trade either of those guys unless they totally fall out of the playoff race and aren't going to make the playoffs. I could see Barrie being the guy traded in that scenario. Muzz is the type of D man this team needs. I also don't see Liljegren turning into a Muzzin type D man.

Muzzin's got value and they aren't winning the Cup this year. 

 

[Guilt Trip]

I would sign Muzzin for 3 years and trade Barrie, I think Lilipad can give whatever Barrie is not giving and we can hopefully get a pick or two.

Liljegren hopefully can continue being a steady D man. From what I've seen of him. He's not  flashy, has good outlet passes, good breakout ability and good D zone work. He's still only 20 years old. I think he's going to be a top 4 guy for us at worst.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Dermott seems to have regressed this year but I wouldn't give up on him.  He may still not be 100% recovered from his shoulder injury, and he's got the juice to play Keefe's style.

Personally, I would trade Muzzin at the deadline and work on finding someone like him next summer.  Maybe Liljegren will eventually grow into that role. 

Contract extension aside.... Why would we weaken the team for the stretch drive and playoffs and then look for a Muzzin in the off season??? That makes no sense to me. Now, if the Leafs can't get him signed to a reasonable extension then I'd say yes, just like Barrie if they plan on going that route. I don't expect the Leafs to trade either of those guys unless they totally fall out of the playoff race and aren't going to make the playoffs. I could see Barrie being the guy traded in that scenario. Muzz is the type of D man this team needs. I also don't see Liljegren turning into a Muzzin type D man.

Muzzin's got value and they aren't winning the Cup this year. 

You don't know who's winning the cup this year, just like every year. Muzz isn't getting traded if the Leafs are close to making the playoffs. Leafs won't be sellers.

 

[Hobbes]

Dermott seems to have regressed this year but I wouldn't give up on him.  He may still not be 100% recovered from his shoulder injury, and he's got the juice to play Keefe's style.

Personally, I would trade Muzzin at the deadline and work on finding someone like him next summer.  Maybe Liljegren will eventually grow into that role. 

Contract extension aside.... Why would we weaken the team for the stretch drive and playoffs and then look for a Muzzin in the off season??? That makes no sense to me. Now, if the Leafs can't get him signed to a reasonable extension then I'd say yes, just like Barrie if they plan on going that route. I don't expect the Leafs to trade either of those guys unless they totally fall out of the playoff race and aren't going to make the playoffs. I could see Barrie being the guy traded in that scenario. Muzz is the type of D man this team needs. I also don't see Liljegren turning into a Muzzin type D man.

Muzzin's got value and they aren't winning the Cup this year. 

You don't know who's winning the cup this year, just like every year. Muzz isn't getting traded if the Leafs are close to making the playoffs. Leafs won't be sellers.

If management pulls the rug out from under the players' feet by trading away legit players (the sorts of players that other teams would actually trade for at the deadline because they think that player would help them in a cup run) I suspect they wouldn't be very happy campers. Even if they don't stand much chance of winning the Cup, at least give them a chance to compete and for a round or two or three to better learn what it takes to win. They aren't going to learn anything at all productive on the golf course.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Muzzin's got value and they aren't winning the Cup this year. 

The team with the 4th best winning percentage while their current coach is employed has no shot at the Cup? Come on.

 

[ZBBM]

Dermott seems to have regressed this year but I wouldn't give up on him.  He may still not be 100% recovered from his shoulder injury, and he's got the juice to play Keefe's style.

Personally, I would trade Muzzin at the deadline and work on finding someone like him next summer.  Maybe Liljegren will eventually grow into that role. 

Contract extension aside.... Why would we weaken the team for the stretch drive and playoffs and then look for a Muzzin in the off season??? That makes no sense to me. Now, if the Leafs can't get him signed to a reasonable extension then I'd say yes, just like Barrie if they plan on going that route. I don't expect the Leafs to trade either of those guys unless they totally fall out of the playoff race and aren't going to make the playoffs. I could see Barrie being the guy traded in that scenario. Muzz is the type of D man this team needs. I also don't see Liljegren turning into a Muzzin type D man.

Muzzin's got value and they aren't winning the Cup this year. 

You don't know who's winning the cup this year, just like every year. Muzz isn't getting traded if the Leafs are close to making the playoffs. Leafs won't be sellers.

If management pulls the rug out from under the players' feet by trading away legit players (the sorts of players that other teams would actually trade for at the deadline because they think that player would help them in a cup run) I suspect they wouldn't be very happy campers. Even if they don't stand much chance of winning the Cup, at least give them a chance to compete and for a round or two or three to better learn what it takes to win. They aren't going to learn anything at all productive on the golf course.

Trouble with this line of thinking is that it's helped lessen our prospect pool.  Bozak, JVR, Jake all lost for zilch.  Poor asset management.  And if anything the team looks less primed to make a run this year than last.

Either re-sign him before the deadline or else trade him then.  But they can't let him walk for nothing.

 

[ZBBM]

Muzzin's got value and they aren't winning the Cup this year. 

The team with the 4th best winning percentage while their current coach is employed has no shot at the Cup? Come on.

I have a two-word crushing rejoinder.  One of those words is "Cody."