2020-2021 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Deebo]

My take is:

Protect:

Matthews, Marner, Tavares, Nylander,
Rielly, Muzzin, Brodie, Dermott
Campbell

Sign Hyman after the expansion draft

Lose 1 of: Kerfoot, Holl, Engvall, Anderson, Petan, Malgin or Brooks.

If any of the exposed players put in a year that make them worthy of protection ahead of Dermott, then that can be changed.

As the roster stands now, it seems the most valuable player that could be lost is Kerfoot or Dermott, which is fine.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

This is definitely a pretty big IF at this point but it'd be a bummer if Joey Anderson had a terrific season with the Marlies and maybe even earned a NHL call-up at some point and acquiring him looks like a really shrewd move only for Seattle to select him in the draft after that.

So Joey if you're reading this have a good season but save the 'future Blake Coleman' stuff for 21/22.

 

[herman]

This is definitely a pretty big IF at this point but it'd be a bummer if Joey Anderson had a terrific season with the Marlies and maybe even earned a NHL call-up at some point and acquiring him looks like a really shrewd move only for Seattle to select him in the draft after that.

So Joey if you're reading this have a good season but save the 'future Blake Coleman' stuff for 21/22.

Dermott and Anderson could just have a straight up amazing season and we expose Brodie, Engvall, Holl instead going 7-3-1. Otherwise, I'm doing what Deebo suggests.

Unless Ron Francis wants to galaxy brain this and grab Adam Brooks/Denis Malgin/Nic Petan, the Leafs are going to lose a roster player and gain some cap space in the 1+M to 3ishM range, some of which will likely line Hyman's wallet.

 

[Guilt Trip]

There are so many things wrong in that article. Most of the forwards mentioned don't need protection because they're ineligible for the draft. Example, Joey Anderson, Brooks, Boyd all have to play 40 games to be eligible. Dermott, if unsigned, is an RFA and doesn't need protection. Engvall has to play 18 more games. Malgin, 26 games. I'm sure it will get pro rated to the reduced schedule.

You're mixing up eligibility and exposure requirements. All of those players you listed have passed the requirements to be eligible for the draft, and so would need protection if the Leafs want to keep them. The numbers you're referencing are in regards to the exposure requirements that you posted on the bottom of your post.

The Leafs are required to expose "Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2021-22 and b) played at least 40 NHL games the prior season or played in at least 70 NHL games in the prior two seasons". So guys like Anderson/Brooks/Boyd would need to play 40 games this season to meet that requirement, or Engvall would need 18 games (as you said, those GP numbers will of course need to be adjusted because of the shortened season).

I didn't realize there was a difference to being eligible for the draft and being exposed to it. Thanks. I still think the Leafs are in a good position.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I didn't realize there was a difference to being eligible for the draft and being exposed to it. Thanks. I still think the Leafs are in a good position.

I mean I guess I wouldn't say that they're in a bad position exactly but they're certainly going to lose a legitimate, prime aged NHL player (as Deebo pointed out, I think one of Kerfoot/Holl/Dermott will be the prime candidate). That's quite a difference from the Vegas draft when we lost Leipsic.

 

[herman]

I didn't realize there was a difference to being eligible for the draft and being exposed to it. Thanks. I still think the Leafs are in a good position.

I mean I guess I wouldn't say that they're in a bad position exactly but they're certainly going to lose a legitimate, prime aged NHL player (as Deebo pointed out, I think one of Kerfoot/Holl/Dermott will be the prime candidate). That's quite a difference from the Vegas draft when we lost Leipsic.

Cap spaaaaaace

 

[CarltonTheBear]

I didn't realize there was a difference to being eligible for the draft and being exposed to it. Thanks. I still think the Leafs are in a good position.

I mean I guess I wouldn't say that they're in a bad position exactly but they're certainly going to lose a legitimate, prime aged NHL player (as Deebo pointed out, I think one of Kerfoot/Holl/Dermott will be the prime candidate). That's quite a difference from the Vegas draft when we lost Leipsic.

Cap spaaaaaace

For sure. I'd fully expect at least one of those guys would be departing next offseason even if there wasn't an expansion draft. But in that case even in this weird market we're in we'd at least be getting something back for them.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/joshsimpson77/status/1339264464219230212

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/MapleLeafs/status/1339377352762122240

 

[Kin]

Or are they:

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1339685493315948544

 

[Redleaf]

I thought the Canadian division idea was directly related to the concern over Covid spreading across US/Can borders.

I had no idea the concern ran deeper and provincial borders would be as issue as well.

Man Alive. Get this thing figured out Gary. We need our hockey over the cold dark winter months, Now more than EVER!!  ;D

 

[OldTimeHockey]

I thought the Canadian division idea was directly related to the concern over Covid spreading across US/Can borders.

I had no idea the concern ran deeper and provincial borders would be as issue as well.

Man Alive. Get this thing figured out Gary. We need our hockey over the cold dark winter months, Now more than EVER!!  ;D

Quebec is certainly an issue with Montreal being on a full lockdown. Toronto isn't far off from being at the same level.

 

[Kin]

Look, I'm not saying Mitch Marner is wrong, I'm not saying he's not allowed to have preferences, I'm not even saying it's a big deal, all I'm saying is that if I hear someone complain about winter in Canada I lose 95% of whatever respect I may have had for them as a person.

 

[Redleaf]

Look, I'm not saying Mitch Marner is wrong, I'm not saying he's not allowed to have preferences, I'm not even saying it's a big deal, all I'm saying is that if I hear someone complain about winter in Canada I lose 95% of whatever respect I may have had for them as a person.

I think you might be referring to Kawhi Leonard? And his big cold Mitts?

 

[Bender]

Look, I'm not saying Mitch Marner is wrong, I'm not saying he's not allowed to have preferences, I'm not even saying it's a big deal, all I'm saying is that if I hear someone complain about winter in Canada I lose 95% of whatever respect I may have had for them as a person.

I mean it was just so unnecessary. I don't think there is any reality where a comment like that would go over well.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Quebec is certainly an issue with Montreal being on a full lockdown. Toronto isn't far off from being at the same level.

Legault said this week that he doesn't think Quebec's restrictions would prevent the Canadiens from playing. Whether it's the right or wrong call is up for debate but I'd be pretty surprised if the rest of the provincial leaders in these situations had differing opinions. Like maybe B.C's I guess, especially after talks with them hosting one of the summer bubbles fell through.

 

[bustaheims]

I imagine part of the concern is getting players into the country and have them quarantine appropriately before training camp. If January 13th is the targeted start date for the season, players basically have to be in town already to be cleared to participate in training camps - and, for most Canadian teams, that's not the case.

https://twitter.com/TSNHockey/status/1339180305689817090

The U.S. seems to much more willing to let sports teams skirt regulations or minimize the length of any quarantine requirements. That hasn't been the case for the Feds up here.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Which is probably why the NHL shouldn't have handled the start of this season like I did essays in university and left everything to the very last minute.

If that is the biggest issue though, having the Canadian division start a week or two later so players have more time to quarantine seems like a much easier solution than temporarily relocating 7 teams for an entire season.

 

[Bender]

Which is probably why the NHL shouldn't have handled the start of this season like I did essays in university and left everything to the very last minute.

If that is the biggest issue though, having the Canadian division start a week or two later so players have more time to quarantine seems like a much easier solution than temporarily relocating 7 teams for an entire season.

You would think you'd get this kind of thing out of the way as soon as possible.

 

[Frank E]

Which is probably why the NHL shouldn't have handled the start of this season like I did essays in university and left everything to the very last minute.

If that is the biggest issue though, having the Canadian division start a week or two later so players have more time to quarantine seems like a much easier solution than temporarily relocating 7 teams for an entire season.

I think maybe this is a ever changing situation, and what was cool in November isn't cool anymore.

I'd also bet they're trying to get authorization to have some fans in the seats.