2021-2022 NHL Thread
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Heroic Shrimp
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Bunch of jerks.L K said:
bustaheims
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herman said:
It?s a terrible contract, for sure. No matter what, this doesn?t turn out well for either team, really. Pure pettiness.
So happy the Leafs aren?t involved in this, so I can just appreciate the entertainment value.
herman said:
The other thing I don't really get is why Dundon even wanted "revenge" for the Aho offer sheet. From what I remember the general consensus in the hockey community was that contract was more than fair for the team and actually prevented a long, dragged out contract negotiation. If Dundon wasn't a typical billionaire egotistical maniac he would have sent Bergevin a thank-you note instead of this awful offer sheet.
Guilt Trip
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Maybe they go after him next year? If Montreal accepts they will also have less money next season. Minimum salary is 5.1 then.herman said:
Zee
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I approve of all the trolling the Canes have done here. Hockey is too dull and this just spiced things up not to mention it really puts the Habs in a bind. Note to Bergevin, this is how you actually offer sheet a player with an unreasonable offer that hurts the original team. The Aho offer sheet was actually good for Carolina. Hope the Habs match and need to do something stupid to fit KK in
Peter D.
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I?ll also add that I?m happy to see GMs finally using offer sheets to try and obtain a player. The unwritten rule amongst GMs for years of not signing a player to them was pure b.s. They are another means to make your team better, so why not use them. The whole premise is to try and put the squeeze on the affected team.
The business is cutthroat as it is, yet you?re not to use it so it doesn?t enact revenge? Big whoop. Especially if such revenge is a stupid offer sheet like this.
The business is cutthroat as it is, yet you?re not to use it so it doesn?t enact revenge? Big whoop. Especially if such revenge is a stupid offer sheet like this.
Guilt Trip
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It's actually a good offer because it's very hard to match. As for the one year, I think there's an extension on the table.Peter D. said:
Had the offer been for 6 years at whatever dollars it would be easier to match. They may overpay for the first year but the extension should be more in line with his true value.
Zee
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It's a huge overpay for Kotkaniemi for sure, but for only 1 year, and who knows he's 21 maybe he takes a step and the contract doesn't look as bad next summer. If not, they've lost a couple of draft picks so it's like blowing them on a bad rental at the deadline. I'm just happy it screws the Habs.
bustaheims
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Zee said:
That's basically the dilemma the Habs face - if they let him go and he has a breakout year, the optics are no good - they basically gave away a top 6 C when they have no center depth. If they match and he doesn't take that next step, they blew an opportunity to get good value in what is essentially a trade and they either have to qualify him for a lot more than he's worth or they let him go for nothing, because they can't trade him for 12 months.
They either have to hope he doesn't take a step forward (when likely players with better wingers on a better team) or have a ton of faith that he will take that step. Not a fun position for them, at all.
Peter D.
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I?m viewing this differently ? I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.
Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.
Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don?t think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.
Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don?t think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).
I'd like to see how the season shakes out if he doesn't do well and how they would arrive at a contract. Let's say he scores 35 points, what happens then? Kotkaniemi has to know this is a show me contract and won't get it again if he doesn't deliver.Zee said:
Is Montreal even against the cap? The more I think about it the more I don't see why they wouldn't retain and just eat an extra $2M in dead money or whatever.
Zee
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Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.Peter D. said:
OldTimeHockey
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Zee said:
That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.