2021-2022 NHL Thread

[Guilt Trip]

I?m viewing this differently ? I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don?t think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).

Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.

That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.

They're already at the cap, short of a trade to free up room there's no center coming for any money

They have 5.5 mill with Weber on LTIR and a 22 man roster. If Byron can't go that'll add another 3.4mill.

 

[louisstamos]

Arizona is apparently shopping Christian Dvorak, who is making a reasonable $4.45 mil.  I wonder if the cost to acquire him would be even more than a 1st and a 3rd, though?

 

[Zee]

I?m viewing this differently ? I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don?t think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).

Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.

That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.

They're already at the cap, short of a trade to free up room there's no center coming for any money

They have 5.5 mill with Weber on LTIR and a 22 man roster. If Byron can't go that'll add another 3.4mill.

They can't just add to the cap though or Weber/Byron will never be able to come off LTIR.  That's why this Kotkaniemi contract is so nice.  I really hope they match and then see what gymnastics are necessary going forward for them to stay under the cap.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Weber's definitely out for the season (and probably career) so they won't need to worry about him coming off of LTIR.

 

[Zee]

Weber's definitely out for the season (and probably career) so they won't need to worry about him coming off of LTIR.

Which is an entirely other issue they have to deal with.  The team is a lot worse without him back there.  Going to be a fun season to be a Habs hater.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Weber's definitely out for the season (and probably career) so they won't need to worry about him coming off of LTIR.

Which is an entirely other issue they have to deal with.  The team is a lot worse without him back there.  Going to be a fun season to be a Habs hater.

For sure. Weber and Danault are going to be massive losses to the team.

 

[bustaheims]

That is correct, but is there an option for them to get with that money that may produce better C results as well as equal to offensive production? If there is, they need to walk away.

UFA market is quite bare at this point, obviously. Best options out there are:

Travis Zajac
Artem Anisimov
Tyler Bozak
Eric Staal
Casey Cziikas
Frans Nielsen

These guys can probably contribute similarly to what Kotkaniemi produced last year, but none of them have any upside, as they're all 30+. Some may have already signed PTOs (Anisimov, for instance, has been seen skating with a number of Red Wings), others maybe part of the contracts the Islanders have, for whatever reason, not announced/filed with the league.

The only real options for them to fill the void if they let him go would be via trade - which potentially includes giving up more assets than what they'd bring in from the offer sheet.

 

[Peter D.]

I?m viewing this differently ? I think this is a no-brainer for Montreal to not match.

Pay him $6.1 million, lose out on a 1st rounder, and then have to overpay him again or risk losing him for free? Let him walk and allow Carolina to overpay him by nearly double what he is worth. Then take that money and picks and use it as currency elsewhere.

Unless the Habs think he is set to seriously break out. But I don?t think him being a recent 3rd overall pick (a reach as it was) should have any bearing on the decision (although it certainly will).

Their center "depth" is already suspect as it is. Without KK their own first rounder will be higher than Carolina's (it probably would have been already anyway). This team lost Danault already they're in big trouble if they go into the season with Suzuki and friends as their centre options.

I get this.  Just that paying a guy $6.1 million when he likely would have signed for $2.5 to $3.5 million seems excessive.  Of course, as I had mentioned, unless they think he is set to take the next step in becoming a 2nd line, 60 to 70-point centre this year.  If not, I'm sure they could cobble some pieces together to fill the centre void with that money saved they aren't paying.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/NHL_Watcher/status/1432778668674326529

 

[Arn]

It?s not NHL really but not sure where to put it, but there?s a very enjoyable documentary on Netflix about the UHL Danbury Trashers.

?Untold: Crime and Penalties?.

Worth seeking out for the pure madness.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/ersa_tz/status/1432756879059345408
Pretty sure he (and the Oilers) didn?t agree to this, but they must?ve thought there was a chance

 

[Frank E]

https://www.tsn.ca/st-louis-blues-colton-parayko-1.1688624

Well, there goes that option.

 

[L K]

Logan Maillloux has been suspended by the OHL through January 1st.  He's eligible to apply for re-entry after this date but not before.

 

[bustaheims]

Logan Maillloux has been suspended by the OHL through January 1st.  He's eligible to apply for re-entry after this date but not before.

So, he starts the year with the Habs then? ;D

 

[Heroic Shrimp]

https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1433493366919110657

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/saucyrockets/status/1433494665148477444
I can?t tell if that was parody or not

 

[CarltonTheBear]

This is becoming a little more normal nowadays but we're less than 3 weeks from training camps opening and there's still a number of significant RFAs without contracts: Kaprizov, Pettersson, Hughes, Tkachuk, Dahlin.

 

[Frank E]

https://twitter.com/hayyyshayyy/status/1433493366919110657

Lou is old school...with the second largest team of analytics people in the league.

 

[herman]

This is becoming a little more normal nowadays but we're less than 3 weeks from training camps opening and there's still a number of significant RFAs without contracts: Kaprizov, Pettersson, Hughes, Tkachuk, Dahlin.

If Seattle doesn't offer sheet Hughes/Pettersson... we riot, right?
Sheet Hughes, like 8.1 AAV x 5; VAN matches (they have to! also no space!), and after they sort that out, sheet Pettersson to whatever he'd sign. Done.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/mayorNHL/status/1433802766590177284
You can do Olympics!

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1433567532041097222
But you have to participate in the NHL
You can remain unvaccinated, but then you'd miss mandatory NHL team events and requirements, and thus not participate in the NHL