2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[Guilt Trip]

Players are superstitious. Not like the Leafs guy couldn't figure it out.
I remember reading Belfour used to do his own skates.

 

[4EVRLEAFAN]

Not super surprising (especially given that you only make a move if a better one is available) but Shanahan confirms Keefe and Dubas will be back next year.

Steady as she goes!

Honestly though, with a 115 point season and an OT goal away from advancing, I mean what can you do except hope internal growth + different mix of bottom 6 guys can get a different outcome next year?  Keep making the playoffs, getting home ice, and hope the guys push through.

They outplayed the defending champions 5 out of seven games. In any other universe that team advances. But you know this is the leafs so what can go wrong will go wrong.

All the big players came up big. I don?t know what they could have done better. That?s the random nature of sports.

In the last 4 years in must win games  we have 3 goals, our PP is 0-18 and our top line scored no goals, none, in this game 7 Marner and Bunting didn't have a single shot, sorry to disagree with you but when it really mattered our big players folded like a wet blanket, we can talk about Campbell and the D but in games 7's it's our big players that are the problem, this was a series like last year we 100% should have won.

I see your points.  But: The lesson is that any line can be shut down if the other team has the skills/willingness, which most playoff teams do.  Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, and of course Point all folded like wet blankets in G7 too. 

We got defeated in G7 because Nick Paul (!) came up big.

Sorry but no, the lesson is, when the chips are down and it really counts our best players can't raise their game, Tampa was very beatable we were up 3-2 and we folded, again. 

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Not super surprising (especially given that you only make a move if a better one is available) but Shanahan confirms Keefe and Dubas will be back next year.

Steady as she goes!

Honestly though, with a 115 point season and an OT goal away from advancing, I mean what can you do except hope internal growth + different mix of bottom 6 guys can get a different outcome next year?  Keep making the playoffs, getting home ice, and hope the guys push through.

They outplayed the defending champions 5 out of seven games. In any other universe that team advances. But you know this is the leafs so what can go wrong will go wrong.

All the big players came up big. I don?t know what they could have done better. That?s the random nature of sports.

In the last 4 years in must win games  we have 3 goals, our PP is 0-18 and our top line scored no goals, none, in this game 7 Marner and Bunting didn't have a single shot, sorry to disagree with you but when it really mattered our big players folded like a wet blanket, we can talk about Campbell and the D but in games 7's it's our big players that are the problem, this was a series like last year we 100% should have won.

I see your points.  But: The lesson is that any line can be shut down if the other team has the skills/willingness, which most playoff teams do.  Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, and of course Point all folded like wet blankets in G7 too. 

We got defeated in G7 because Nick Paul (!) came up big.

Sorry but no, the lesson is, when the chips are down and it really counts our best players can't raise their game, Tampa was very beatable we were up 3-2 and we folded, again.

So your solution is.....Blow it up?

 

[4EVRLEAFAN]

Not super surprising (especially given that you only make a move if a better one is available) but Shanahan confirms Keefe and Dubas will be back next year.

Steady as she goes!

Honestly though, with a 115 point season and an OT goal away from advancing, I mean what can you do except hope internal growth + different mix of bottom 6 guys can get a different outcome next year?  Keep making the playoffs, getting home ice, and hope the guys push through.

They outplayed the defending champions 5 out of seven games. In any other universe that team advances. But you know this is the leafs so what can go wrong will go wrong.

All the big players came up big. I don?t know what they could have done better. That?s the random nature of sports.

In the last 4 years in must win games  we have 3 goals, our PP is 0-18 and our top line scored no goals, none, in this game 7 Marner and Bunting didn't have a single shot, sorry to disagree with you but when it really mattered our big players folded like a wet blanket, we can talk about Campbell and the D but in games 7's it's our big players that are the problem, this was a series like last year we 100% should have won.

I see your points.  But: The lesson is that any line can be shut down if the other team has the skills/willingness, which most playoff teams do.  Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, and of course Point all folded like wet blankets in G7 too. 

We got defeated in G7 because Nick Paul (!) came up big.

Sorry but no, the lesson is, when the chips are down and it really counts our best players can't raise their game, Tampa was very beatable we were up 3-2 and we folded, again.

So your solution is.....Blow it up?

Of course not, it's just that I seem to have watched a different series than a lot of posters here and elsewhere, we laid another egg, period, we came out in game one the way this team is capable of playing, if we had played that way through the whole series we could of swept them but no we folded...again. So what's the solution? Not sure I guess we hope for an easier opponent next year? I don't know I just know we did not in anyway play our best, again and it's frustrating to know how good we are yet do the same thing year in year out.

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Of course not, it's just that I seem to have watched a different series than a lot of posters here and elsewhere, we laid another egg, period, we came out in game one the way this team is capable of playing, if we had played that way through the whole series we could of swept them but no we folded...again. So what's the solution? Not sure I guess we hope for an easier opponent next year? I don't know I just know we did not in anyway play our best, again and it's frustrating to know how good we are yet do the same thing year in year out.

Ok. But remember, in the game of hockey, there's two teams on the ice. Toronto did not beat Toronto. Tampa beat Toronto.

If I was really going to pick something to critique(other than the series loss), I'd say that Keefe didn't seem to adjust. Again. Tampa figured out how to beat Toronto. It was very evident in game 6 and game 7. Play a tight box in the defensive zone and keep Toronto to the outside. Also, stand them up at the blue line and force them to dump it in. It was almost an instant replay of the Hab series last year. Dump and chase. Dump and chase.

 

[ZBBM]

This is true.

That, and the PP didn't adjust.  Not one time did the  guys on the outside drop their shoulder and drive to the net.  No chaos implementation.

It's like the coaches get fixated on what works in the regular season and then have no answer for the inevitable defensive adjustments.  Vasi was totally takable in this series, but not if you aren't ready to do course corrections.

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[4EVRLEAFAN]

This is true.

That, and the PP didn't adjust.  Not one time did the  guys on the outside drop their shoulder and drive to the net.  No chaos implementation.

It's like the coaches get fixated on what works in the regular season and then have no answer for the inevitable defensive adjustments.  Vasi was totally takable in this series, but not if you aren't ready to do course corrections.

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Yes! Plain and simple folks, when the going gets tough the tough get going, yup it's an old clich?  but it's true, you can't win a cup if you can't play tough and drive to the net, make things happen, in the last 4 years in must win games our PP is 0-18, that's just not acceptable,  again I don't know what the answer is but something has to change.

 

[ZBBM]

This is true.

That, and the PP didn't adjust.  Not one time did the  guys on the outside drop their shoulder and drive to the net.  No chaos implementation.

It's like the coaches get fixated on what works in the regular season and then have no answer for the inevitable defensive adjustments.  Vasi was totally takable in this series, but not if you aren't ready to do course corrections.

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Yes! Plain and simple folks, when the going gets tough the tough get going, yup it's an old clich?  but it's true, you can't win a cup if you can't play tough and drive to the net, make things happen, in the last 4 years in must win games our PP is 0-18, that's just not acceptable,  again I don't know what the answer is but something has to change.

Funny, defensively they were pretty sturdy (not perfect) in G7.  Offensively, they weren't creating enough in front of Vasi.  That's just a matter of willingness.

 

[Redleaf]

This is true.

That, and the PP didn't adjust.  Not one time did the  guys on the outside drop their shoulder and drive to the net.  No chaos implementation.

It's like the coaches get fixated on what works in the regular season and then have no answer for the inevitable defensive adjustments.  Vasi was totally takable in this series, but not if you aren't ready to do course corrections.

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Yes! Plain and simple folks, when the going gets tough the tough get going, yup it's an old clich?  but it's true, you can't win a cup if you can't play tough and drive to the net, make things happen, in the last 4 years in must win games our PP is 0-18, that's just not acceptable,  again I don't know what the answer is but something has to change.

Let?s be honest though. I?m not sure you can just flip a switch or two to guarantee you a knock-out punch of the back-to-back champs?..who could be up 3 games to zip on the Presidents Trophy winners in a few hours time .

 

[herman]

Casual 3-pt game for a rusty Nylander joining the Swedish mens team in media res
https://twitter.com/swehockeygifs/status/1528443003056320517
https://twitter.com/iihfhockey/status/1528457551569833985

Add it to the resume
https://twitter.com/eliteprospects/status/1527569251757965312

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/playoffnylander/status/1528451848549679105

An hour later?
https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1528464941396656130
Sploosh

 

[Zee]

Can't wait until McDavid signs here for $800K

 

[LittleHockeyFan]

Giordano re-signed. Now bring Spezz back too!

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/IIHFHockey/status/1529063608172396546
Two games played in the WC for Nylander, two GWGs, on jetlag.

https://twitter.com/RinkRatReport/status/1529125646538100736

 

[CarltonTheBear]

That's a Denis Malgin-like performance right there.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/kyle_cush/status/1529096101822873601

 

[Sandinius]

Nylander has 36 points in 20 WC games (1 gold medal).
Thats a PPG average of 1,80, leading all swedish players that ever played.
Pretty decent. 

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/theleafsimo/status/1529231049192243200

 

[Guilt Trip]

https://twitter.com/theleafsimo/status/1529231049192243200

So we should expect this next season?

 

[dappleganger]

Is someone angry?