2021-22 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion

[CarltonTheBear]

You know there was a lot of "Worst Trade Ever!" energy there and for sure it's a bad trade but Forsberg has maxed out at 64 points in a season.

Yeah I was actually going to take issue with the use of the word "superstar" there because of that, but I guess he is on pace for a career season (good timing) so I'll let him have it.

 

[Deebo]

https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1496670339874570243

*spits out drink*

You know there was a lot of "Worst Trade Ever!" energy there and for sure it's a bad trade but Forsberg has maxed out at 64 points in a season.

Coincidentally, that's the amount of points Erat got over the rest of his NHL career.

 

[Joe S.]

It would be very funny to see
Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Nylander - Garland
Engvall - K?mpf - Ka?e
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Spezza

Maybe lose Kerfoot to make the dollars work out better

I think it would be funnier to get kessel back and have him play with spezza.

 

[Bender]

Isn't JT Miller a centre? We theoretically could do a line of Nylander Miller Kase or something and I think that'd be a killer 2nd line.

 

[bustaheims]

You know there was a lot of "Worst Trade Ever!" energy there and for sure it's a bad trade but Forsberg has maxed out at 64 points in a season.

Sure, but he also already has more career goals than the players he was traded for.

Worst trade ever? Maybe not, but definitely among the worst in recent memory.

 

[L K]

https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/1496670339874570243

*spits out drink*

You know there was a lot of "Worst Trade Ever!" energy there and for sure it's a bad trade but Forsberg has maxed out at 64 points in a season.

Coincidentally, that's the amount of points Erat got over the rest of his NHL career.

Scoring pace doesn't necessarily translate to final production but he has scored at 73 point pace the last three (partial) seasons.

He does have 52 playoff points too.

 

[herman]

You know there was a lot of "Worst Trade Ever!" energy there and for sure it's a bad trade but Forsberg has maxed out at 64 points in a season.

Sure, but he also already has more career goals than the players he was traded for.

Worst trade ever? Maybe not, but definitely among the worst in recent memory.

Forsberg's stunted production is an accumulated effect of injuries and Nashville's playstyle of cannibalizing better offensive chances from forwards with more point shots.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1496640081217699842

https://twitter.com/EarlSchwartz27/status/1496662748582850562
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/1496853093954187264

 

[bustaheims]

Keep in mind that there are 32 games to go before playoffs. Regular season ends April 29th and playoffs start May 2. That's 65 days away until the end of the season. Is Muzz going to be out that long? He could be ready in a month and then what do you do? He can't sit for 65 days and be any use in the playoffs. He'll be so out of game shape by then. I suggest the Leafs go grab Chychrun if they can because he can replace Muzz should the need arise and if Muzz is good to go, put him on the 3rd pairing with Sandin. Lyubuskin can play with Chychrun.
I think the goalies will be fine by then.

It's also his 2nd concussion in a relatively short time span. Him being out for 2 months+ is definitely not out of the question here. In fact, given that and the fact it never felt like he truly recovered from the first concussion (and, based on his poor play this season, perhaps he's dealing with other minor injuries), it would not shock me in the slightest if he's done for the rest of the regular season.

As for the Fleury thing, as of right now, this still does not give the Leafs that kind of space. When going into LTIR space, teams need to be able to fit the full amount of a player's cap hit, not the prorated amount that they'd usually need to be able to fit. Muzzin on LTIR really means the Leafs can add another ~$5.5M contract without moving salary out (assuming Muzz is done for the year, of course).

 

[Bill_Berg]

Keep in mind that there are 32 games to go before playoffs. Regular season ends April 29th and playoffs start May 2. That's 65 days away until the end of the season. Is Muzz going to be out that long? He could be ready in a month and then what do you do? He can't sit for 65 days and be any use in the playoffs. He'll be so out of game shape by then. I suggest the Leafs go grab Chychrun if they can because he can replace Muzz should the need arise and if Muzz is good to go, put him on the 3rd pairing with Sandin. Lyubuskin can play with Chychrun.
I think the goalies will be fine by then.

It's also his 2nd concussion in a relatively short time span. Him being out for 2 months+ is definitely not out of the question here. In fact, given that and the fact it never felt like he truly recovered from the first concussion (and, based on his poor play this season, perhaps he's dealing with other minor injuries), it would not shock me in the slightest if he's done for the rest of the regular season.

As for the Fleury thing, as of right now, this still does not give the Leafs that kind of space. When going into LTIR space, teams need to be able to fit the full amount of a player's cap hit, not the prorated amount that they'd usually need to be able to fit. Muzzin on LTIR really means the Leafs can add another ~$5.5M contract without moving salary out (assuming Muzz is done for the year, of course).

I know there are nuances to capology, but Marzek makes 3.5, Fleury makes 7. If Chicago retains half of Fleury's salary, it's even-steven.

Now I don't think the Leafs will trade for Fluery, but it certainly is possible capwise. Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.

 

[Guilt Trip]

Keep in mind that there are 32 games to go before playoffs. Regular season ends April 29th and playoffs start May 2. That's 65 days away until the end of the season. Is Muzz going to be out that long? He could be ready in a month and then what do you do? He can't sit for 65 days and be any use in the playoffs. He'll be so out of game shape by then. I suggest the Leafs go grab Chychrun if they can because he can replace Muzz should the need arise and if Muzz is good to go, put him on the 3rd pairing with Sandin. Lyubuskin can play with Chychrun.
I think the goalies will be fine by then.

It's also his 2nd concussion in a relatively short time span. Him being out for 2 months+ is definitely not out of the question here. In fact, given that and the fact it never felt like he truly recovered from the first concussion (and, based on his poor play this season, perhaps he's dealing with other minor injuries), it would not shock me in the slightest if he's done for the rest of the regular season.

As for the Fleury thing, as of right now, this still does not give the Leafs that kind of space. When going into LTIR space, teams need to be able to fit the full amount of a player's cap hit, not the prorated amount that they'd usually need to be able to fit. Muzzin on LTIR really means the Leafs can add another ~$5.5M contract without moving salary out (assuming Muzz is done for the year, of course).

I know there are nuances to capology, but Marzek makes 3.5, Fleury makes 7. If Chicago retains half of Fleury's salary, it's even-steven.

Now I don't think the Leafs will trade for Fluery, but it certainly is possible capwise. Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.

Now don't go making sense lol. Mrazek makes 3.8 so in that scenario it could work. Depends what the leafs have to add to retain if Mrazek is going the other way.

 

[Bill_Berg]

Keep in mind that there are 32 games to go before playoffs. Regular season ends April 29th and playoffs start May 2. That's 65 days away until the end of the season. Is Muzz going to be out that long? He could be ready in a month and then what do you do? He can't sit for 65 days and be any use in the playoffs. He'll be so out of game shape by then. I suggest the Leafs go grab Chychrun if they can because he can replace Muzz should the need arise and if Muzz is good to go, put him on the 3rd pairing with Sandin. Lyubuskin can play with Chychrun.
I think the goalies will be fine by then.

It's also his 2nd concussion in a relatively short time span. Him being out for 2 months+ is definitely not out of the question here. In fact, given that and the fact it never felt like he truly recovered from the first concussion (and, based on his poor play this season, perhaps he's dealing with other minor injuries), it would not shock me in the slightest if he's done for the rest of the regular season.

As for the Fleury thing, as of right now, this still does not give the Leafs that kind of space. When going into LTIR space, teams need to be able to fit the full amount of a player's cap hit, not the prorated amount that they'd usually need to be able to fit. Muzzin on LTIR really means the Leafs can add another ~$5.5M contract without moving salary out (assuming Muzz is done for the year, of course).

I know there are nuances to capology, but Marzek makes 3.5, Fleury makes 7. If Chicago retains half of Fleury's salary, it's even-steven.

Now I don't think the Leafs will trade for Fluery, but it certainly is possible capwise. Unless I'm missing something, which is entirely possible.

Now don't go making sense lol. Mrazek makes 3.8 so in that scenario it could work. Depends what the leafs have to add to retain if Mrazek is going the other way.

3.8, even better!

Ya the trade itself would have to be more. Chicago would want more assets in return probably both for Fluery himself and then the salary retention. I'm not even sure if Mrazek has positive or negative trade value.

 

[herman]

Did anyone check if Fleury was still actually good this year?

 

[OldTimeHockey]

Did anyone check if Fleury was still actually good this year?

Hogwash!

 

[CarltonTheBear]

Did anyone check if Fleury was still actually good this year?

He had a rough start (1-7, .881 Sv% in his first 8 games) but has been pretty good since (15-11-4, .920 Sv%). That also coincides exactly with Jeremy Colliton's firing.

 

[ZBBM]

Did anyone check if Fleury was still actually good this year?

What's your point?

 

[Bill_Berg]

Did anyone check if Fleury was still actually good this year?

He's been a hell of a lot better than Mrazek.

 

[dappleganger]

It would be very funny to see
Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Nylander - Garland
Engvall - K?mpf - Ka?e
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Spezza

Maybe lose Kerfoot to make the dollars work out better

So I have been thinking the same thing for the first line. But I'd go this down the lineup:

Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Kerfoot - Nylander
Mikheyev - K?mpf - Ka?e
Simmonds - Engvall - Spezza

Kerfoot - Nylander were our best line last playoffs.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2021/5/27/22454962/playoff-kerfoot-filling-big-gaps-in-the-lineup

 

[Guilt Trip]

It would be very funny to see
Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Nylander - Garland
Engvall - K?mpf - Ka?e
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Spezza

Maybe lose Kerfoot to make the dollars work out better

So I have been thinking the same thing for the first line. But I'd go this down the lineup:

Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Kerfoot - Nylander
Mikheyev - K?mpf - Ka?e
Simmonds - Engvall - Spezza

Kerfoot - Nylander were our best line last playoffs.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2021/5/27/22454962/playoff-kerfoot-filling-big-gaps-in-the-lineup

Kerfoot can't be centre, he doesn't win enough faceoffs and he's a much better winger.

 

[dappleganger]

It would be very funny to see
Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Nylander - Garland
Engvall - K?mpf - Ka?e
Mikheyev - Kerfoot - Spezza

Maybe lose Kerfoot to make the dollars work out better

So I have been thinking the same thing for the first line. But I'd go this down the lineup:

Tavares - Matthews - Marner
Bunting - Kerfoot - Nylander
Mikheyev - K?mpf - Ka?e
Simmonds - Engvall - Spezza

Kerfoot - Nylander were our best line last playoffs.

https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2021/5/27/22454962/playoff-kerfoot-filling-big-gaps-in-the-lineup

Kerfoot can't be centre, he doesn't win enough faceoffs and he's a much better winger.

Worked in the playoffs. ???

Nylander is at 56%, let him take the draws.