2022-23 Toronto Maple Leafs General Discussion
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Checked that on the defence side of things and was pretty surprised to see Giordano leading all defencemen (with 400+ 5-on-5 minutes) in GA/60. Sandin (3rd) and Holl (10th) were also very high on the list. Liljegren would be 2nd but he doesn't hit the TOI cut-off (290 minutes).
AtomicMapleLeaf
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Kaberle15 said:
Agreed, almost like our modern Peter Zezel.
Kerfoot , overpaid because he's underproducing, TO should get rid of him, right?
OK, so who/what should TO be looking for back if TO could possibly move him, how dum are other GMs?
How about trading for Garland in Vanc., he'd be an upgrade for sure, he's versatile can play LW/RW, scored 52 pts last year so seems like a steal of a deal type of trade for TO, get er done Dubie.
Let's look at what TO would be giving up in this transaction, Kerfoot is very versatile as he has played in all 3 forward spots in the past and he only had 51 points last year, that's one less than Garland but Garland doesn't get to play with Mitch, Austin, etc. so the slight difference is explainable, maybe but I wonder if Garland always plays in the top 6 in Vanc., Kerfoot doesn't, Garland does get to play on the PP Kerfoot doesn't, Garland doesn't PK Kerfoot does. So far I'm not seeing a lot of good reasons for TO to trade for Garland with Kerfoot.
Size must be another issue, Kerfoot is small and plays that way, Kerfoot is 5'10" 185 lbs, Garland is 5'10" 165 lbs, I don't know a whole lot about Garland but I see he has 21 PIMs this year while Kerfoot has 12 PIMs, I don't know why the difference but generally Garland has marginally more PIMs than Kerfoot, is Garland's lack of foot speed partly responsible for this?
Now the killer, Kerfoot has 12 pts in 29 games this year while earning $3.5 mil. per, Garland has 12 points in 27 games while earning $4.95 mil. There has been and still is a great deal of noise from whoever regarding the benefit of TO trading Kerfoot for Garland even tho neither would be a significant upgrade on the other or more likely Kerfoot is the better player, I really don't think a lot of blowhards actually research their positions, they just blow.
Another player that gets a lot of guff from Leaf fans, Engvall, who has 7 points, he never gets to play in the top 6, makes $1.25 mil. per year less than Kerfoot, PKs and lots of other stuff, what everyone knows is that Engvall is 6'5", any player that does what Engvall does and is 5'10" would be considered a bargain at $2.25 mil., forget how tall he is and enjoy what he does do. I'd love to see Engvall in the top 6 except I feel the bottom 6 would be significantly less effective without him like we saw on Saturday.
OK, so who/what should TO be looking for back if TO could possibly move him, how dum are other GMs?
How about trading for Garland in Vanc., he'd be an upgrade for sure, he's versatile can play LW/RW, scored 52 pts last year so seems like a steal of a deal type of trade for TO, get er done Dubie.
Let's look at what TO would be giving up in this transaction, Kerfoot is very versatile as he has played in all 3 forward spots in the past and he only had 51 points last year, that's one less than Garland but Garland doesn't get to play with Mitch, Austin, etc. so the slight difference is explainable, maybe but I wonder if Garland always plays in the top 6 in Vanc., Kerfoot doesn't, Garland does get to play on the PP Kerfoot doesn't, Garland doesn't PK Kerfoot does. So far I'm not seeing a lot of good reasons for TO to trade for Garland with Kerfoot.
Size must be another issue, Kerfoot is small and plays that way, Kerfoot is 5'10" 185 lbs, Garland is 5'10" 165 lbs, I don't know a whole lot about Garland but I see he has 21 PIMs this year while Kerfoot has 12 PIMs, I don't know why the difference but generally Garland has marginally more PIMs than Kerfoot, is Garland's lack of foot speed partly responsible for this?
Now the killer, Kerfoot has 12 pts in 29 games this year while earning $3.5 mil. per, Garland has 12 points in 27 games while earning $4.95 mil. There has been and still is a great deal of noise from whoever regarding the benefit of TO trading Kerfoot for Garland even tho neither would be a significant upgrade on the other or more likely Kerfoot is the better player, I really don't think a lot of blowhards actually research their positions, they just blow.
Another player that gets a lot of guff from Leaf fans, Engvall, who has 7 points, he never gets to play in the top 6, makes $1.25 mil. per year less than Kerfoot, PKs and lots of other stuff, what everyone knows is that Engvall is 6'5", any player that does what Engvall does and is 5'10" would be considered a bargain at $2.25 mil., forget how tall he is and enjoy what he does do. I'd love to see Engvall in the top 6 except I feel the bottom 6 would be significantly less effective without him like we saw on Saturday.
L K
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I think we have a lot of players who do well at the defensive side of the game (a few posts up with Nylander having one of the lowest GA/60 at 5on5. We all know what Kampf, Engvall, Matthews, Marner all do with the defensive side of the puck....
BUT while Kerfoot is really struggling and given his cap hit we should probably be using him as a good opportunity to move out a pending UFA while also freeing up more space to add more impact to the lineup
His expected goals at 5on5 is 4.1 so it isn't like he isn't having opportunities to put the puck in the net.
For example with Connor Gardland his expected goals at 5on5 this year is 3.2 and he has a whopping 2 5on5 goals so far this year.
Kerfoot is still an important part of our defense and penalty kill. Given that we already have the big 4 guys eating up 75% of the PP time I think I'd be more inclined to find guys who can penalty kill to replace Kerfoot and I don't think Garland is the guy to do it.
BUT while Kerfoot is really struggling and given his cap hit we should probably be using him as a good opportunity to move out a pending UFA while also freeing up more space to add more impact to the lineup
His expected goals at 5on5 is 4.1 so it isn't like he isn't having opportunities to put the puck in the net.
For example with Connor Gardland his expected goals at 5on5 this year is 3.2 and he has a whopping 2 5on5 goals so far this year.
Kerfoot is still an important part of our defense and penalty kill. Given that we already have the big 4 guys eating up 75% of the PP time I think I'd be more inclined to find guys who can penalty kill to replace Kerfoot and I don't think Garland is the guy to do it.
herman
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https://twitter.com/LeafsNews/status/1602737249896091648
Key suggestion to swap Brodie and Giordano once TJ is back up to speed is what I would suggest too. Keep the workload light for Giordano so he is fresh for the playoffs in the event he needs to step up again. With Sandin developing more consistent play, Brodie's minutes can be flattened a bit too, again to keep everyone fresh and engaged for the playoff drive.
Brodie - Holl
Sandin - Liljegren
Giordano - Timmins
Key suggestion to swap Brodie and Giordano once TJ is back up to speed is what I would suggest too. Keep the workload light for Giordano so he is fresh for the playoffs in the event he needs to step up again. With Sandin developing more consistent play, Brodie's minutes can be flattened a bit too, again to keep everyone fresh and engaged for the playoff drive.
Brodie - Holl
Sandin - Liljegren
Giordano - Timmins
I'm surprised the Brodie-Gio swap hasn't already happened to be honest. Seems like only a matter of time.
I like Holmberg. I love Kampf. But I still feel like come playoff time at least only 1 of them should be in the line-up (at 4C).
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herman
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https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1603465491951099904
Contract slot opening up
He was signed to an ELC April 2022 and was a 6th rd pick in 2020. It wasn't working out for him with the Marlies, and I imagine the pay is much better back home (unlikely an NHL team will pick him up at this point).
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2022/12/15/23511376/maple-leafs-defender-axel-rindell-is-going-home
Contract slot opening up
He was signed to an ELC April 2022 and was a 6th rd pick in 2020. It wasn't working out for him with the Marlies, and I imagine the pay is much better back home (unlikely an NHL team will pick him up at this point).
https://www.pensionplanpuppets.com/2022/12/15/23511376/maple-leafs-defender-axel-rindell-is-going-home