2022 NHL Draft Discussion

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/tictactomar/status/1545195060328898562
Love this for them lol

Just catching up... Romanov was traded for what?!

 

[herman]

I?m ok with San Jose taking time for this

 

[CarltonTheBear]

https://twitter.com/frank_seravalli/status/1545227236512448512

Wish we had another mid round pick thrown our way to make me feel better, but it is what it is.

 

[ZBBM]

We have no goalies now, cool

But now, they might be able afford an upgrade.

They have to. If they dont come out with a legit starter this has to be the end of the Dubas era. 

Ritchie and Mrazek having to be traded away off last season is still an issue for me.  Dubas has mismanaged draft pick assets and it?s part of why we have no prospects to fill in gaps in the roster

I basically agree with downtrading to get out from Mrazek but yeah, bottom line is it cost Dubas a 1st to get rid of a bad mistake.  So yeah gunnar36.

 

[herman]

If you?re familiar with draft pick valuation, 25 to 38 is basically no difference (a little bit more so in this particular draft). If the Leafs get the exact player they wanted to pick anyway, they sacrificed nothing.

 

[ZBBM]

We have no goalies now, cool

But now, they might be able afford an upgrade.

Kuemper, Husso, Gibson?

The very likely one is Campbell.

He'll be cheaper than Kuemper.

 

[CarltonTheBear]

The very likely one is Campbell.

Yeah, I'll be a little surprised if they don't circle back on Campbell now that the cap situation is more cleared up.

 

[Champ Kind]

We have no goalies now, cool

But now, they might be able afford an upgrade.

They have to. If they dont come out with a legit starter this has to be the end of the Dubas era. 

Ritchie and Mrazek having to be traded away off last season is still an issue for me.  Dubas has mismanaged draft pick assets and it?s part of why we have no prospects to fill in gaps in the roster

I basically agree with downtrading to get out from Mrazek but yeah, bottom line is it cost Dubas a 1st to get rid of a bad mistake.  So yeah gunnar36.

But, respectfully, that?s not really a fair assessment.  This is not like the Marleau deal where the first is out the door.  As others mentioned, a close second is coming back.  It?s fair to feel disappointed, but it?s not fair to describe this as costing a first.

 

[ZBBM]

If you?re familiar with draft pick valuation, 25 to 38 is basically no difference (a little bit more so in this particular draft). If the Leafs get the exact player they wanted to pick anyway, they sacrificed nothing.

If they do, yes.  But how will we know?  It's not like they're going to admit that whoever they take at 38 is not who they wanted.

 

[Guilt Trip]

If Lambert is still available at 38th then I am ok with this trade, but lets be real here, its hard to be excited when your 1st round pick is once again sacrificed to cover up another mistake.

It's not a sacrifice like it was with Marleau. They moved down to 38 from 25. Not a big deal in this draft to lose 3.8M. Unfortunate Mrazek couldn't get it done. Great move.

 

[Guilt Trip]

We have no goalies now, cool

But now, they might be able afford an upgrade.

Kuemper, Husso, Gibson?

The very likely one is Campbell.

He'll be cheaper than Kuemper.

Husso will be cheaper then both.

 

[ZBBM]

We have no goalies now, cool

But now, they might be able afford an upgrade.

They have to. If they dont come out with a legit starter this has to be the end of the Dubas era. 

Ritchie and Mrazek having to be traded away off last season is still an issue for me.  Dubas has mismanaged draft pick assets and it?s part of why we have no prospects to fill in gaps in the roster

I basically agree with downtrading to get out from Mrazek but yeah, bottom line is it cost Dubas a 1st to get rid of a bad mistake.  So yeah gunnar36.

But, respectfully, that?s not really a fair assessment.  This is not like the Marleau deal where the first is out the door.  As others mentioned, a close second is coming back.  It?s fair to feel disappointed, but it?s not fair to describe this as costing a first.

First of all, I'm not disappointed.  I posted earlier that this draft, for sure, is a time to trade down.  But it objectively did cost them a first and objectively was done to fix a GM's mistake.

 

[herman]

If you?re familiar with draft pick valuation, 25 to 38 is basically no difference (a little bit more so in this particular draft). If the Leafs get the exact player they wanted to pick anyway, they sacrificed nothing.

If they do, yes.  But how will we know?  It's not like they're going to admit that whoever they take at 38 is not who they wanted.

Look at it from the Chicago side. They ponied up 7.6M in cap dollars (which is the reverse of what Dubas had to do for the Marleau deal? ~ 15th overall), and threw in their relatively high second rounder for the 25th pick to get someone they could?ve picked at 38 or even later.

 

[L K]

If you?re familiar with draft pick valuation, 25 to 38 is basically no difference (a little bit more so in this particular draft). If the Leafs get the exact player they wanted to pick anyway, they sacrificed nothing.

If they do, yes.  But how will we know?  It's not like they're going to admit that whoever they take at 38 is not who they wanted.

Look at it from the Chicago side. They ponied up 7.6M in cap dollars (which is the reverse of what Dubas had to do for the Marleau deal? ~ 15th overall), and threw in their relatively high second rounder for the 25th pick to get someone they could?ve picked at 38 or even later.

Sure but if Dubas didn?t swing and miss on Mrazek he also could have traded down and got more than one asset.  It?s not as bad of a asset move as Marleau but it?s still lost assets to correct a mistake.

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/leafsnews/status/1545238937085550592

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/tictactomar/status/1545227988853202944
Is he not just sharing a new beat box rhythm with Grandma?

https://twitter.com/quinnsedgework/status/1545235977425195008
https://twitter.com/avatarrant/status/1545230593868402689
https://twitter.com/arsonmatthews/status/1545235857757577217

 

[herman]

https://twitter.com/thomasdrance/status/1545240638081359878
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1545229381886525441
https://twitter.com/capfriendly/status/1545237409910214657

 

[princedpw]

We have no goalies now, cool

But now, they might be able afford an upgrade.

They have to. If they dont come out with a legit starter this has to be the end of the Dubas era. 

Ritchie and Mrazek having to be traded away off last season is still an issue for me.  Dubas has mismanaged draft pick assets and it?s part of why we have no prospects to fill in gaps in the roster

I basically agree with downtrading to get out from Mrazek but yeah, bottom line is it cost Dubas a 1st to get rid of a bad mistake.  So yeah gunnar36.

But, respectfully, that?s not really a fair assessment.  This is not like the Marleau deal where the first is out the door.  As others mentioned, a close second is coming back.  It?s fair to feel disappointed, but it?s not fair to describe this as costing a first.

First of all, I'm not disappointed.  I posted earlier that this draft, for sure, is a time to trade down.  But it objectively did cost them a first and objectively was done to fix a GM's mistake.

I kind of view his last off-season holistically.  There were a bunch of gambles: Ritchie, Bunting, Kase, Kampf, Mrazek.  All were uncertain and relatively cheap.  Operating this way means there are going to be some misses and you are going to have to pay to get rid of the misses. As long as the wins - costs to eliminate misses > even we are doing ok. I still think Dubas has done that.

 

[ZBBM]

L K's point still stands.

 

[ZBBM]

We have no goalies now, cool

But now, they might be able afford an upgrade.

They have to. If they dont come out with a legit starter this has to be the end of the Dubas era. 

Ritchie and Mrazek having to be traded away off last season is still an issue for me.  Dubas has mismanaged draft pick assets and it?s part of why we have no prospects to fill in gaps in the roster

I basically agree with downtrading to get out from Mrazek but yeah, bottom line is it cost Dubas a 1st to get rid of a bad mistake.  So yeah gunnar36.

But, respectfully, that?s not really a fair assessment.  This is not like the Marleau deal where the first is out the door.  As others mentioned, a close second is coming back.  It?s fair to feel disappointed, but it?s not fair to describe this as costing a first.

First of all, I'm not disappointed.  I posted earlier that this draft, for sure, is a time to trade down.  But it objectively did cost them a first and objectively was done to fix a GM's mistake.

I kind of view his last off-season holistically.  There were a bunch of gambles: Ritchie, Bunting, Kase, Kampf, Mrazek.  All were uncertain and relatively cheap.  Operating this way means there are going to be some misses and you are going to have to pay to get rid of the misses. As long as the wins - costs to eliminate misses > even we are doing ok. I still think Dubas has done that.

All this is quite reasonable.  Like I said, I am not majorly bent out of shape about this.  I'm just saying let's not celebrate it as some kind of brilliant GMing.